This is more of a 2 part question. Should child porn that does not include a real child be illegal? If so, who is being harmed by it?

The other question is; does giving a pedophile access to “imitation” children give them an outlet for their desire, so they won’t try to engage with real children, or does it just reinforce their desire, thus helping them to rationalize their behavior and lead to them being more encouraged to harm real children?

I’ve heard psychologists discuss both sides, but I don’t think we have any real life studies to go off of because the technology is so new.

I’m just curious what the other thought out there are from people who are more liberty minded.

  • El Barto@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    Fuuuuck, what am I doing here. Again, I really am not trying to defend pedophilia, but your stance is just based on being pedantic and arrogant.

    “The most evil.” Right. If you think someone having pedophile tendencies is the most evil someone can be or do… you know nothing about the world.

    Good discussion, though. I wouldn’t want to be friends with a pedophile, much less being in their shoes. But adults fucking dolls, you know, those made out of plastic and rubber, shouldn’t be regulated by people like you.

    • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      Im feeling disgusting defending this as well, but need to remember that working to avoid harm and critically analyzing two sides means thinking through the eyes of the other party. Im just happy ours is a philosophical discussion.

      To counter the other person, whats more evil - fucking a kid or a small sex doll dressed as one? If my wife pulled out her old high-school uniform and fucked me its perfectly ok, but when she got it at 15 it wouldn’t be. Fucking a sex doll is ok, but its illegal if they pretend its underage (pretty sure no one keeps one around for 18 years). The arguement is literally do we allow someone to fuck a piece of silicon that resembles a kid in their own home where we would have no idea and couldn’t stop them anyway, or just tell them to “hold it in” until they find another way?

      • El Barto@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Fucking a sex doll is ok, but its illegal if they pretend its underage

        Where is this illegal? And if it’s not illegal everywhere, then do the places in which they make it illegal have real, universal merit to do so?

        (pretty sure no one keeps one around for 18 years).

        Of all your arguments, this is the most puzzling all things considered. So, if you fuck a doll of a middle-aged woman that was made 4 years ago, are you committing a crime because the doll is technically 4 years old?

        • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          Sorry to first one, typo. Should have been a question, not a statement.

          The point with the last is that silicon isn’t a person - you can’t say “this one is ok but this one isnt”.

          • El Barto@lemmy.worldEnglish
            21·
            1 year ago

            Ah, sorry. We don’t disagree, then.

            If someone fucks a fleshlight, some religious people might see it as immoral, but in the end, they’re just fucking an object.

            Give the fleshlight the shape of a doll, and then the same people who didn’t have a problem before, all of a sudden they do. Why? I surely don’t want my fleshlights to look like kids, but I won’t judge anybody who do - and never harms actual kids in any way.

            (Can companies make sex dolls that look like Margot Robbie already, please?)