I mean, maybe, just maybe, a year-long violent retalitation for a single event on a single day might just be overkill and run afoul of the idea of “self defense.”
This isn’t even an eye for an eye.
This is like Israel lost an eye so they bombed a fucking schoolbus of children in response… every day… for a year.
Seriously, it’s been clearly a sociopathic genocide since easily the end of the first month of the campaign against Gaza. We’ve had 13 more months since then, I think it’s pretty fucking clear.
Quite reminiscent of 9/11, isn’t it?
Oh yeah.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2008/04/16/quotable-netanyahu-says-israel-benefitted-from-911/
The Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.
“We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,” Ma’ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events “swung American public opinion in our favor.”
How are there not riots everywhere when a statement like this happens? Are we that desensitized, do we really collectively give this little of a shit?
How far up our asses do we have to be before we realize we’re being fucked?
Arm yourselves.
There were a lot of people that benefited from 9/11. Why should anyone riot because Bibi said it?
As much as I agree that it’s an overreaction it’s not really just one event at issue here.
Gaza has never stopped being under Israeli occupation since 1967. Hamas only exists because of the Apartheid Occupation of Israel and the daily violence that has subjected Palestinians to for generations. Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, and has been the one preventing a ceasefire.
De-development via the Gaza Occupation
Between July 1971 and February 1972, Sharon enjoyed considerable success. During this time, the entire Strip (apart from the Rafah area) was sealed off by a ring of security fences 53 miles in length, with few entrypoints. Today, their effects live on: there are only three points of entry to Gaza—Erez, Nahal Oz, and Rafah.
Perhaps the most dramatic and painful aspect of Sharon’s campaign was the widening of roads in the refugee camps to facilitate military access. Israel built nearly 200 miles of security roads and destroyed thousands of refugee dwellings as part of the widening process.’ In August 1971, for example, the Israeli army destroyed 7,729 rooms (approximately 2,000 houses) in three vola- tile camps, displacing 15,855 refugees: 7,217 from Jabalya, 4,836 from Shati, and 3,802 from Rafah.
- Page 105
Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986.
- page 240
In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60% over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50% decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (combined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million.
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Page 402
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The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy
Blockade, including Aid
Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.
After the ‘disengagement’ in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of ‘dual-use’ Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted.
The blockade and Israel’s repeated military offensives have had a heavy toll on Gaza’s essential infrastructure and further debilitated its health system and economy, leaving the area in a state of perpetual humanitarian crisis. Indeed, Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, the majority of whom are children, has created conditions inimical to human life due to shortages of housing, potable water and electricity, and lack of access to essential medicines and medical care, food, educational equipment and building materials.
- Amnesty International Report pg 26-27
Peace Process and Solution
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
Human Shields
Hamas:
Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.
Israel:
Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields:
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Including Children (2013 Report)
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Israel “Systematically” Uses Gaza Children as Human Shields, Rights Group Finds 2024
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Breaking The Silence - Testimonies from IDF Veterans
Deliberate Attacks on Civilians
Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:
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The Dahiya Doctrine & Israel’s Use of Disproportionate Force
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‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza
Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.
Yeah it is a many decades long issue of Israel literally pushing over Palestinians houses with bulldozers to expand their territory, beating and sometimes killing the owners of the houses, then calling it “settling”. Then Palestinians being radicalized and carrying out attacks (and terror attacks) against Israel. Then Israel responding with complete ethnic cleansing genocide and teaching their entire country that the Palestinians aren’t human and kidnapping torturing them in Nazi-ways.
It is pretty much exactly the US vs Native Americans of the modern day. Down to the difference in funding, available technology differences, starvation tactics, and genocide. I think the torture tactics have gotten worse though
I wonder why there are so many entries in this page. Definitely not because Palestinians have been the victims of continuous ethnic cleansing since 19 fucking 48.
The main allegations in the report are:
- The unprecedented scale and magnitude of the military offensive, which has caused death and destruction at a speed and level unmatched in any other 21st-century conflict;
- Intent to destroy, after considering and discounting arguments such as Israeli recklessness and callous disregard for civilian life in the pursuit of Hamas;
- Killing and causing serious bodily or mental harm in repeated direct attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure, or deliberately indiscriminate attacks; and
- Inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction, such as destroying medical infrastructure, the obstruction of aid, and repeated use of arbitrary and sweeping “evacuation orders” for 90% of the population to unsuitable areas.
These are not allegations, these are facts.
Idk why you’re downvoted.
When someone replies on my comments, I get a notification.
When I get a notification that I have an error, I will either:
A) correct myself for me, and any potential readers
B) talk through it and likely revert back to A
What’s going on here bud? Are you starting your own New York Times?
They should keep the tagline, but the article below it should just read:
NO SHIT
@[email protected] And nothing is going to happen. Just add it to the list in wiki.
Yes we notice them more now, but are we really caring, when no one is stepping in to stop genocides?
“amounts to” meaning what exactly
I think that in this context it means that they acknowledge that they are not the ones who decide whether it is or isn’t genocide but in their opinion it does meet the necessary criteria.
Deciding that facts are facts is not up to anyone. It’s an agreement we all take part in when we converse.
Genocide is very very clearly defined, and this offensive is very very clearly documented. This is not opinion. This is not going to wait for myself, you, or OP, or any of our feelings.
This is genocide. That’s it. The fact that we are still talking about this in this way is insane. We’re a year deep into …
I’m gonna let the kids at home fill in the blanks.
Spoiler, it’s textbook genocide.
But the standards for an organisation like Amnesty International saying a state is committing genocide are much higher than a random person on the internet.
To make a claim like that, they have to have specific evidence satisfying the actual definitions in international law, which is what this whole report is about. It’s all well and good for you to go “well it’s obvious to me”, but that doesn’t meet the standards of evidence for a reputable NGO like them to make a statement like that.
They agree with your stance, so I’m not sure I understand why your response to them - explicitly - saying “this is genocide” is to chew them out for it.
It means they believe the evidence they have is sufficient to show that it is genocide when considered together.
What’s confusing you here?
