Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realize the rules were that the defending country had to stay on their side of the line. So Russia can invade neighbors with impunity, but striking Russian soil is just too far.
You’re shifting the framing to “NATO is escalating the conflict.” Motherfucker, Russia can deescalate any time by leaving. Why is the onus on everyone else to not cross any red lines?
I think the problem is what you consider an escalation. If someone slaps you in the face, you slapping them back is considered an escalation or proportional response? I think most would consider framing it as an escalation as a type of shifting the blame or changing the frame of events that minimize the responsibilities of the the guy that first slapped you.
My dude, if I come to your house and start punching you in the face and you start punching back, are you now escalating the conflict? No. We’re already fucking brawling, and I started it.
Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realize the rules were that the defending country had to stay on their side of the line. So Russia can invade neighbors with impunity, but striking Russian soil is just too far.
Stop.
I’m confused from where you are drawing that I said that
It’s more that NATO shouldn’t be (and isn’t really) surprised.
I never said or implied what actions they should or shouldn’t take or anything. Where are y’all getting this?
You’re shifting the framing to “NATO is escalating the conflict.” Motherfucker, Russia can deescalate any time by leaving. Why is the onus on everyone else to not cross any red lines?
I mean it’s definitely not a statement of right or wrong to suggest that taking a new, further step is an escalation above the previous situation.
I think the problem is what you consider an escalation. If someone slaps you in the face, you slapping them back is considered an escalation or proportional response? I think most would consider framing it as an escalation as a type of shifting the blame or changing the frame of events that minimize the responsibilities of the the guy that first slapped you.
My dude, if I come to your house and start punching you in the face and you start punching back, are you now escalating the conflict? No. We’re already fucking brawling, and I started it.
Sure, going from being a helpless victim to one fighting back is an escalation. Isn’t always a bad thing?