It’s for your own good, mind (and some Windows 11 users will get this too)
  • A new patch is being quietly pushed to Windows 10 (and 11) PCs
  • It’ll force upgrades in certain circumstances to keep the PC in support
  • This update will mean more nag prompts coming to your PC
  • zerozaku@lemmy.worldEnglish
    213·
    3 days ago

    Is there anyway to permanently stop windows from updating? I tried few methods off YT but updates do not stop.

    (No, don’t recommend me Linux. I have tried it(Mint and Manjaro) and it is way out of my skillset)

    • spyd3r@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      5·
      2 days ago

      Absolutely, yes, I’ve had it disabled since the first W10 feature update. It gets harder with every new release, but it is doable.

      You need to manually disable these services with Regedit

      -Update Orchestrator (UsoSvc)

      -Windows Update Medic Service (WaaSMedicSvc)

      -Windows Update (wuauserv)

      -Microsoft Edge Update Service (edgeupdate + edgeupdatem)

      -Microsoft Edge Elevation Service (MicrosoftEdgeElevationService)

      Then you need to go into Task Scheduler and disable all the tasks under the services listed above. I’d also suggest not using Edge, as it will now aggressively repair Windows Update, even with all this stuff disabled.

    • Vanshaj@lemmy.worldEnglish
      17·
      3 days ago

      I’m glad to see someone not downvoted for refusing to use Linux on Lemmy. The environment here is getting better for even non-linux users.

      • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        81·
        3 days ago

        The US (which is usally a majority as it was for Reddit) just hasnt woken up yet /s

      • Crafter72@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        Woah, thanks for dropping the link. I did disable w10 update by modifying registry for each services which time consuming.

    • lengau@midwest.socialEnglish
      82·
      3 days ago

      I’m not here to change your mind, but man… Mint and Manjaro are not great introductions to Linux IMO.

      • zerozaku@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        3 days ago

        Mint was everywhere when I searched beginner linux distros. I tried Manjaro because my friend had it running and likes it a lot and we thought we can recreate issues and find solutions together if we are on same distro.

        • lengau@midwest.socialEnglish
          6·
          3 days ago

          Yeah, I really don’t get why so many people call Mint good for beginners. There are so many reasons it’s not, yet it has this incredibly vocal crowd who insist it’s so fantastic.

          • eccentric@lemm.eeEnglish
            2·
            3 days ago

            I really don’t get why so many people call Mint good for beginners. There are so many reasons it’s not

            Just out of curiosity would you list a few please? I run Mint (I’m not a beginner but not really an expert either) and have recommended it to people wanting to switch to Linux. If it’s not good for beginners I probably shouldn’t suggest it anymore.

            • Patch@feddit.ukEnglish
              2·
              2 days ago

              It’s not a bad shout for beginners by any stretch, but it has a massively overdone reputation for beginner-friendliness that is not really deserved

              Cinnamon, for one. Yes, it looks kind of like Windows. But the similarity is surface deep, and it’s also pretty janky- by far the biggest resource hog of all the main DEs, lots of weird snagging bugs and stability issues. I’ve always found it very unsatisfying.

              I personally use MATE quite a lot and I enjoy it, but I wouldn’t really be recommending that to Windows users either; it’s pretty old school at this point.

              Keep recommending Mint to people by all means, though. If you like it and it’s what you use, that’s still a great recommendation. There is fundamentally no reason why beginners shouldn’t use it as their first distro.

            • lengau@midwest.socialEnglish
              31·
              2 days ago

              A few off the top of my head:

              • Every time I try it I have installation issues, across a wide variety of hardware. (Newbies have also reported to me that “Linux can’t even install” after trying Mint - when I sit them down with a Kubuntu install on the same machine it tends to go flawlessly)
              • Cinnamon seems to have stability issues (this is one of the more common things I’ve had now ie friends complain about and ask for help with)
              • the blocking of snapd in the repos and the way it’s done can be pretty confusing to newbies when they click a “get it on the snap store” button and things just fall apart. (I also think their blocking of snapd itself is fairly user hostile, but the fact that the UX around it is so bad is also a problem)
              • On the subject of blocking packages in the repos - their own packages seem to have file conflicts with the Ubuntu repos they use but don’t put the relevant “Conflicts” lines in their deb metadata, which I’ve seen cause conflicts for newbies that break apt. (KDE Neon does a much better job of taking care of this IMO, but I certainly don’t view it as a beginner friendly distro either)
              • The lack of a Plasma version is a major downside to me. (Random aside: I once had a newbie ask me how she could get the pretty version of Linux I had because hers was so ugly - she was running stock Mint and I was on Fedora’s KDE spin)
    • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
      101·
      3 days ago

      Yes, but I wouldn’t recommend it. Every day, attackers develop new methods to compromise your system. Those updates fix the vulnerabilities. In this increasingly connected age, those fixes are critical.

    • Player404English
      8·
      3 days ago

      Turn off TPM support in bios to prevent the windows 11 install popups. Win 11 requires TPM.

    • superkret@feddit.orgEnglish
      5·
      3 days ago

      Disconnect the PC from the internet.
      It’s also the only way to safely run a computer without updates.

    • _lilith@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      3 days ago

      you could always just find the folder windows update lives in and change the permissions so the system can’t access it.

    • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
      41·
      3 days ago

      Install a firewall like portmaster and block processes that update there is about half dozen of them.

      As others have said prolly not be route security wise, unless you manually permit security updates.

    • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
      32·
      3 days ago

      Just a heads up, it’s not out of your skill set if you can operate Windows. If anything, it’s usually easier if you don’t want to do anything particularly technical. It requires relearning things (which you had to do for Windows too, and will again in the future), but if you don’t understand something you search online or ask for help, like you’re doing here. It turns out, you can’t do everything you want with Windows, but you’ve grown accustomed to it. That’s the difference. You have to grow to get used to anything new, even if it’s “better” or “easier.”

      Turning off updates likely requires editing registries, which is far more technical than anything you’ll need to do on Linux.

      • zerozaku@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        3 days ago

        Last time I tried as trivial as changing a theme on linux, it broke my taskbar(idk what you call it in linux) and wouldn’t respond at all. I looked for solutions online and couldn’t find the solution as the forum threads keep closing before they arrive on a fix.

        So I tried to fix it myself and changed to another theme. This theme doesn’t have the same issue but somehow it breaks the only game I play which used to run just fine before.

        And that’s the last nail in the coffin for linux for me.

        • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
          21·
          3 days ago

          I don’t know what went wrong for you, but personally when I last used Windows my taskbar (still called that on Linux BTW), crashed probably at least once a month, and I’d have to restart my computer to do anything because so much was connected together for no reason.

          No operating system is perfect. I will always argue that Windows isn’t easier though, you’re just used to dealing with it’s horrible issues. If you could learn to deal with Windows you can learn to deal with Linux. It’s annoying having to learn something new, but I promise you it’s worth it once you get settled. You can’t go into it expecting it to be Windows, because it isn’t, but if you go in with an open mind and a willingness to learn, it’ll treat you better than Windows does.

          • zerozaku@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            3 days ago

            The thing with windows is that you have gui for everything and can find video solutions on YT easily which often work.

            With Linux, you can’t get those as the user base is split in many different distros, DEs etc and much of the stuff you do is in terminal. Most of the time whenever I faced an issue, I would try to fix it with a solution I find which it would require another application and running that application causes another issue. I had this many times and only rarely fixed the issues I faced.

            I had issues with starting with display colour calibration, speaker sound and any application that isn’t Linux native even if I got it from the Package Manager/Appcenter.

            • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
              21·
              3 days ago

              There is not a GUI for everything on Windows. There is for a lot of it though, for better or worse. There usually a GUI on most Linux DEs as well, but the answer you’ll see online often involves the console because it’s easily shared and you can just copy/paste it and it’s universal usually. The GUI option requires long tutorials with images telling you where to click. It’s not an improvement. You’re just following a guide not understanding it either way, but the console option is much faster. A GUI is good for applications you understand, but just solving a problem you don’t understand a GUI is cumbersome.

              And yeah, having people split has its issues, but that’s what happens when people get a choice. There’s a similar problem between Windows versions too, but Windows 10 has been dominant for a while now so all answers are for that.

              You will run into issues, but you have to learn where to look for answers. You’ve had this with Windows too (like the OP here). You just view the issues you’ve had with Windows differently. You’ve learned to deal with it gradually over time, where switching to Linux you’ll have it largely all at once at first as you set things up for the first time and get used to the change. It’s a big change, but you can handle it. You’ve dealt with worse already.

              Also, don’t be afraid of the console. It isn’t particularly scary, except you just haven’t used something like it before I guess. It just requires using a keyboard. You use “man [package name]” for the manual. There’s also a fantastic package called TLDR that is similar to man but much shorter and only contains the things you’ll frequently be looking for. I highly recommend it if you try Linux again. It may help.