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    I mean, supported in the personal belief sense. I can assure you that it was never intended, even if that was accidentally conveyed.

    Natural language is inherently imprecise. It only works because there’s shared background to interpret it on.

    Dark humour is a thing, you’ll see it everywhere on the internet - I’m sure you know that. This is no exception.

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      there is not much of a joke here.

      cthulhu decides to commit indiscriminate genocide because of humanity’s violent acts.

      a human agrees.

      that is the comic.

      because cynicism is hip and internet comments are supposed to be edgy rather than thoughtful, people are defending genocide without understanding what they are agreeing with, as you have.

      most people don’t realize what they’re doing, but you and the other commenters are nodding along with the non-joke that everybody should be killed because humanity has problems.

      that’s not a joke, that’s irresponsible defeatist anxiety.

      I prefer to rage against the dying of the light.

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        The joke is that Cthulhu is usually unreasonable (at least by human standards), but is able to logically explain himself to the satisfaction of the human shown. This is unexpected.

        I’ll leave you with this: cynicism is hip, but it’s exactly as irrational to start with optimism. You’ve got to start with what is, and what ought to be and work from there.

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          that’s not the joke.

          “cynicism is hip, but it’s exactly as irrational to start with optimism.”

          being cynical doesn’t help anyone or anything. being optimistic does help things.

          “You’ve got to start with what is, and what ought to be and work from there.”

          this is what I do.

          you and the others defending “reasonable” genocide is not working toward what “ought to be”, unless you believe that what “ought to be” is giving up on life or some drastic action like global genocide (which is also giving up)

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            Existential comics is a humour series. I disagree, it’s a joke.

            If that’s what you do, good for you. For every few dark jokes there’s someone posting “orphan crushing machine” style glurg. Optimism in the face of horrors or no hope is just unhealthy denial.

            I was not trying to fix the world with that post, I agree. Sometimes I do write something that helps someone, though. IRL I do a bunch of volunteer work.

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              The comic is supposed to be a joke, your attempted misdirect that the joke is about cthulhu’s reasoning abilities is incorrect and doesn’t track.

              the comic wants to make a joke about the world being so bad that even a human can be convinced that all the humans should be killed by a world killing entity.

              “Optimism in the face of horrors or no hope is just unhealthy denial”

              absolutely incorrect.

              this statement is a symptom of your poisoned worldview that allows you and the others to unironically defend the reasoning for global genocide.

              optimism in the face of horrors is not “denial”, it springs from a more complete understanding of the world that you can change things.

              I know that I can change things for the better because I change things for the better, whether it’s difficult or not.

              people who assume things can’t change are the reason things don’t change.

              Guess you need to volunteer more.

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                No, I assure you, there’s plenty of people that think they have all the solutions, and given the chance would turn everything upside-down on their snipe hunt. For every good idea there’s someone who thinks we just need a purge day, or a lot of tiny bunkers. The “good people that do nothing” are shit too, I guess.

                Do you honestly think you can fix everything yourself? I hope not; stepping off the hard-edged debate thing a bit, I had a really rough time when I found out that’s not real life.

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                  “there’s plenty of people that think they have all the solutions”

                  don’t know how you segued here, are you trying to get something off your chest?

                  “For every good idea there’s someone who thinks we just need a purge day”

                  not sure why you’re veering right here either.

                  are you saying you thought these things before and now you don’t?

                  “The “good people that do nothing” are shit too, I guess.”

                  they’re not great.

                  “Do you honestly think you can fix everything yourself?”

                  did someone tell you I could or did you come to that conclusion yourself?

                  flattering.

                  “I had a really rough time when I found out that’s not real life”

                  so it took you a pretty long time to realize that you can only control your own actions?

                  avoiding uncomfortable truths is probably tied into why you’re finding it difficult to take responsibility for your comments here .

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                    people who assume things can’t change are the reason things don’t change.

                    I was providing a counterexample. Activists are are people who believe things can change, but are always trainwrecks personally. When they’re on the right side of history it’s luck - there’s just as as many that aren’t.

                    I don’t think I was ever like that exactly, no. And I certainly never have supported a purge day or Hoxha bunkers - those were just a couple especially easy-to-understand examples. If you want self-criticism I have plenty, but it’s not like that.

                    I know that I can change things for the better because I change things for the better, whether it’s difficult or not.

                    That’s what I was responding to in the second part about fixing things yourself. I volunteer, and it’s basically like trying to piss out a housefire most of the time. We don’t change things for the better perceptibly.

                    You’re wrong about what I commented originally, but I’ve covered why fully so I’m just ignoring that now. Where we can maybe exchange useful information is on optimism.