• the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
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    17 days ago

    Threatening and guilting people didn’t work, in fact it failed miserably, and your answer is to double down on it? Congratulations, you’re now the DNC chair.

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      17 days ago

      But they aren’t wrong.

      Maybe people should vote every single time then things would improve. But theyre not so they won’t. Congrats on the own goal.

      • the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
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        17 days ago

        It’s the candidates job to give people a reason to vote. Harris clearly didn’t do a good enough job of that.

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          17 days ago

          The fuck it is.

          Someone on reddit (yes I know) put it well so I’ll just copy pasta-

          If you pay attention to any of the teaching subreddits you’ll see a common refrain. When students aren’t paying attention it is deemed the teacher’s fault by administration and parents because the teacher should be able to make the class fun or interesting. Those in power don’t hold the students responsible for learning - it is the teacher’s job not only to teach but to make the students want to learn.

          It is strikingly similar to the way many people talk about civics. It is the Democrats’ job not only to govern, but to make voters want to vote. But, that is not how it is supposed to work. Everyone has the responsibility to vote. It is only the candidate’s job to convince you to vote for them while you are at the polls.

          The idea that a candidate has to make you want to vote in the first place is absolute nonsense. It’s a civic responsibility. People are just too lazy. A student who doesn’t take advantage of the opportunity to get an education is shooting themself in the foot. A citizen who doesn’t take the opportunity to participate in an election is shooting themself in the foot.

          People shouldn’t wait to be inspired to go vote. They should do it as a matter of course.

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              16 days ago

              Yes, they have gone all in on authoritarianism. Their platform doesn’t demand compromise because it is effectively whatever the guy at the top says. When you have a fascist-loving shallow minded fools on one side and effectively the sane remainder collecting all the rest in the other side, your voter engagement issues are inherently going to be highly asymmetrical.

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            17 days ago

            Okay, but please explain to me how you intend for students to magically become more willing to learn, or citizens more willing to vote. You fight the battles you can, you don’t just blame the world or people for being the way that they are. Sure, as an individual, you can do better. Maybe eben influence those around you. Now what about the millions of others who have to change their behavior in order to enact change on the country-wide scale? To fight at that scale you have to be in a position of power, and the only people who are in those positions of power in the US who aren’t republicans are democrats. The responsibility lies with the democrats to do whatever it takes to improve voter turnout or fix problems because nobody else has the means and isn’t a republican (and good luck trying to convince them to be less shit). Blaming the people just makes them pissed at you and gets you nowhere.

      • the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
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        17 days ago

        That’s what they told me in 2008 too. Then Obama won, and spent 8 years acting exactly like Bush. If the Democrats want their credibility back they need to give us more than just fear of the alternative. They failed and we’re all paying the price.

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          17 days ago

          They’ve learned literally nothing since 2016, same tired Playbook over and over, kill progressive campaigns, neuter those that win regardless, blame progressives when nothing materially changes for the populace and they don’t vote for the DNCs annoited candidate. Rinse and repeat

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              Here’s the thing, that line of argument does absolutely nothing to invigorate people to vote at this point, you’re just shitting on people for having principles and offering nothing besides “the other side is worse”. Sorry it’s clearly not a winning message, I voted in all but 2016 for dems, holding my nose, but I understand why others do not.

              • Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                17 days ago

                People who chose fascism over democracy have no principles lol And why would I invigorate people to vote? There wont be another election lol

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                  17 days ago

                  Many people didn’t choose either, simply didn’t vote because they were not enabled or invigorated to do so.

                  We’ll have to see if Trump actually can end democracy, but trying to pretend the democrats did everything right is laughable, maybe look deeper into why people voted Trump beyond “they’re all racists/misogynists” the answer is he spoke to their perceived version of reality and provided answers and a path “forward”.

                  It’s all lies and he’s absolutely going to enrich himself and his buddies more then the country but when Harris can’t firmly differentiate herself from Biden, have a frank discussion about the issues we are facing, and provide a transformative view of the future for the better, it’s no surprise a lot of people stayed home.

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        17 days ago

        The people screaming about protecting democracy accepted a candidate no one voted for and was installed. Installing her was the only way to get her on the ballot.