I’m making this post directly in response to the extremist moderation in this thread, though I came very close a little while ago to a similar post because of moderation here

Comments that have been removed on the grounds of “No bigotry” include:

There are no good guys in that conflict. Only innocent civilians.

Maybe provide examples? I see nothing that would prevent me from saying that with a straight face.

Gee, I don’t know, I vaguely recall a (perhaps minor) news item happening on the 7th, something about a music festival? I may be misremembering though, since this very impartial news site has no mention of it whatsoever.

It’s a terrorist organization vs terrorist state. The only good guys are the civilians dying on both sides.

Everyone who opposes genocide, colonialism, and terrorism are the good guys, so neither Israel or Hamas. But Hamas is not Palestine/Palestinians, the same way that Israel/Zionism is not Jewish/Judaism; no matter how much Israel, Hamas, the media, or military industrial complex tries to conflate them all. IMO Israel is more to blame than Hamas as they should know better given a) their history of persecution b) their significantly greater wealth and education, and c) their demographics — more than half of all Palestinians are technically children, below 18.

I don’t know what could possibly be less “bigotry” than that last statement. Now, I side pretty much 100% with Palestine in the Palestinian genocide being committed by Israel, but it’s not even remotely bigoted to suggest that maybe the killing of civilians, even if done in the name of a good cause, does not make the killers “the good guys” (even if they are “the better guys of the two bad guys”).

And in the other thread, they removed comments like:

That’s pathetic. That’s a pathetic misunderstanding of geopolitics and the nature of modern intelligence infrastructure. You’re still in the mindset of “Having SIGINT = bad guys”. As if places like Russia, and North Korea would just be magical kingdoms of freedom and accountability if they just didn’t have signals intelligence! That’s stupid. What differentiates the west (much like what differentiates good media sources from bad) - is accountability, and oversight. Anyways I’ll let you get back to your petty fears and misunderstanding the basic lay of the informational and geopolitical landscapes. Maybe if Trump magically wins the election Glenn Greenwald will spend Trump’s time in office attacking the Democrats and defending Trump and Russia again. I’m sure you’d enjoy that. The crypto-rightwing are just like that. Aren’t you. Semi-pro-authoritarians who don’t understand what causes freedom, and think it’s something about being a soldier of fortune for a foreign state, or something that comes from “the barrel of a gun”. Idiots believing they’re freedom fighters popping some imaginary info-bubble. You don’t know how lucky you are, or how good you have it, or why… That’s your problem, and your weakness.

which were critical of authoritarian states in a mildly impolite way for being violations of their “Be respectful” rule. Meanwhile they failed to remove (and in fact, the comments came directly from an admin) comments that are far more directly disrespectful to their interlocutor, like:

This is wrong on so many levels 😂 If you’re this propagandized, then I’m sure you don’t know what actually happened in and around Tiananmen Square, which by the way is not even censored in China like we’re always told.

Followed by a gish gallop of links.

And

Okay, stay confidently incorrect in the Five Eyes corporate media bubble then 👍

“I’m in this photo and I don’t like it.”

and the especially pathetic disrespectful comment consisting of nothing but:


The admins of that instance are pretty blatantly disregarding their own rules in order to push their agenda. If that shouldn’t be grounds for defederation, I don’t know what should.

edit: accidentally left a link out earlier

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    8 days ago

    Not an especially helpful answer because the point is the way that their existence makes Lemmy in general and aussie.zone in particular a much worse experience for newcomers that demonstrably drives away people from joining. Putting it down to pErsOnAL rESponsiBILity never works to solve a problem.

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        8 days ago

        Go to any space outside of Lemmy where people who tried it out but didn’t stick around are discussing it. The tankies always come up. And worse: they often don’t even realise it is tankies, but conflate it with leftism in general.