• ultranaut@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    The things you believe do not make sense or map to actual reality.

    What do you think voting is doing if its not increasing or decreasing the likelihood of a candidate winning?

    If there’s only two possible outcomes between three choices, and one of those choices is clearly the worst outcome and another one of them is clearly not a possible outcome, which choice would you make and why?

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      19 days ago

      If a large enough bloc of voters won’t vote unless you support a specific policy, then you have more of an incentive to support that policy. Do you dispute this?

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        18 days ago

        There’s not a yes or no answer to that question except in a theoretical abstraction. In reality politics is complicated, messy, and frequently dumb. The only real answer is it depends on the policy, the demographics and voting habits of the bloc, the politician and parties involved, and myriad more factors beyond these obvious ones. I dispute that allowing Trump to win by not voting for Harris will accomplish anything useful or positive, no one will be taught the lesson you purport to be teaching if that happens.

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          18 days ago

          Alright, so at least as a theoretical abstraction, it has potential to work. You can argue whether I’m right to try to apply that tactic in this situation, but as a tactic, it is very much logical and coherent.

          You haven’t actually presented any reason why, given that it works in the abstract, it couldn’t work in this situation. All you’ve said is that it won’t work, but unless you can actually support that position there’s no reason to think that.

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            18 days ago

            You didn’t answer my question, and thinking through your answer should make it clear why applying that tactic is the dumbest choice you can make under the circumstances if you genuinely believe Trump winning is the worse outcome.

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              18 days ago

              What do you think voting is doing if its not increasing or decreasing the likelihood of a candidate winning?

              Establishing a credible threat of defection in response to unacceptable policy. Building up a party that actually represents my interests.

              If there’s only two possible outcomes between three choices, and one of those choices is clearly the worst outcome and another one of them is clearly not a possible outcome, which choice would you make and why?

              That question is much too abstract.

              A third party winning this election is not realistic, but there are other tactical and ethical reasons for voting for them that have nothing to do with winning, as I said.