• Ultraviolet@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    It’s the trolley problem again. This time, you have 3 tracks and 2 switches. The trolley is headed towards 5 people, one switch sends it to 1 person, and the other switch would send it to 0 people, but it’s broken. Voting third party is pulling the broken switch, knowing the 5 people will die but you’ve shifted the responsibility from yourself to whoever was supposed to fix the switch.

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      Why do neoliberals bring up the trolley problem as if it is some settled debate among scholars that there is one clear possible answer?

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        Sometimes, I wonder if a Trump victory would be the only way to getthe various leftist factions to stop arguing and stand together, side by side, united in the fact that fascists don’t care what flavour of ideological opposition they’re executing.

        Who gives a shit about whether the Trolley Problem is settled - it’s about your answer: Which option do you endorse?

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            I didn’t mean “unite” in the sense of “we’ll work together” so much as “if he manages to pull off his idol’s stunt and execute his opponents, we’ll all die together”

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              Yeah. But the writing on the wall was legible enough then to know what we were in for. It’s now in bright flashing neon, and they still won’t budge.

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        I’m not a neoliberal, I’m a socialist. I’m just not an idiot who will give a fascist free rein just because his opponent has the same shitty foreign policy as every politician in the whole fucking country has. There is a difference between the status-quo level of bad and catastrophic.

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          Harris supporters on Lemmy have called for me to be put in a concentration camp.

          Your fears of fascism are ignorant of the capacity that Democrats exhibit.

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            Harris supporters on Lemmy have called for me to be put in a concentration camp.

            Yah, I’ll take “Things that didn’t happen” for a thousand, Alex. Let me guess, they did the “you’re going to be the most _____ person in the camps” joke and you took offense to the harsh, practical truth of it, so rather than reconsider whatever performative BS you were trying to use to justify voting against a clear and present danger, you decided to do exactly what the right does, and spin natural consequences and hurt feelings to make yourself a victim.

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        The trolley problem isn’t “settled debate” for the same reasons that Kamala vs Trump isn’t “settled debate”.

        The point of the trolley problem and why it’s analogous is that it’s coming up fast and you must choose to either pull that lever or not. Whichever choice you make, that’s the moral character you’ve chosen to exhibit.

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          What is the moral character of someone incapable of questioning the validity of orphan crushing trolleys?