The problem that we have is that we don’t choose. If we had a free choice to vote for what we wanted, then nobody would need to tie themselves into knots justifying their support for genocide.
If the choice is between Hitler and Hitler+, you better believe that I’m not voting for Hitler, I’m going to be doing everything I can to dismantle the system that forced that choice on everyone. Because that system isn’t democracy.
Except, you’re implying that’s not what you’re doing. You want to believe that your vote can accomplish everything you want, as easily snapping your fingers, but that’s not how it works. No positive change in history has happened in a day, but you seem to want to vote as if positive change can happen immediately.
Nope, you’re putting words in my mouth. My point is that, if a system was truly democratic, you wouldn’t need to choose between two pro-genocide candidates. Nothing more.
Well, we demanded to do other things than voting to push the Dems to end their support for genocide. And got heavily attacked for it, daring to dirty the nest. We got insulted as being Trump supporters in disguise.
The idea that a serious threat to Dems voting turnout if they continue genocide would force them to change their stance before the election, was immediately met with hostility and gaslighting at worst and “lets wait until after the election” at best. Well waiting until after the election didnt work the past 25 or so years. Not with Clinton, Obama, Clinton or Biden.
Here’s the problem. You made your position on the issue obvious by referring to the actual problem as a “pissing match”. If you only care about politics when it comes to electing a president, then we’re all fucked.
Leftists are not trying to get you to not vote for Harris. We are trying to get you to DO SOMETHING BEYOND VOTING. And to admit that you’re supporting a genocidal candidate.
Because if y’all continue to just live under this delusion that Kamala isn’t genocidal, then you’ll never see any need to change.
Why was the choice set since like a year already? And we met the same hostility and “reasons” 9 months ago. Truth is not enough people care enough to push for change. They just wanted to feel that their lot is not threatened, solidarity be damned. Well this does not work, as history has infamously shown time and time again. Unless people band together they’ll be picked off one by one.
The problem that we have is that we don’t choose. If we had a free choice to vote for what we wanted, then nobody would need to tie themselves into knots justifying their support for genocide.
If the choice is between Hitler and Hitler+, you better believe that I’m not voting for Hitler, I’m going to be doing everything I can to dismantle the system that forced that choice on everyone. Because that system isn’t democracy.
Well what exactly are you doing to dismantle the system? Posting on Lemmy? How’s that working out? Not great?
Now get off your lazy, entitled, privileged ass and vote against Hitler+.
I’m an activist, union rep and collaborate with several co-operatives.
What about you?
Except, you’re implying that’s not what you’re doing. You want to believe that your vote can accomplish everything you want, as easily snapping your fingers, but that’s not how it works. No positive change in history has happened in a day, but you seem to want to vote as if positive change can happen immediately.
Nope, you’re putting words in my mouth. My point is that, if a system was truly democratic, you wouldn’t need to choose between two pro-genocide candidates. Nothing more.
Well, we demanded to do other things than voting to push the Dems to end their support for genocide. And got heavily attacked for it, daring to dirty the nest. We got insulted as being Trump supporters in disguise.
The idea that a serious threat to Dems voting turnout if they continue genocide would force them to change their stance before the election, was immediately met with hostility and gaslighting at worst and “lets wait until after the election” at best. Well waiting until after the election didnt work the past 25 or so years. Not with Clinton, Obama, Clinton or Biden.
Well you should do that pissing match during the candidate selection then. Don’t drag it out to after the choices are set.
Here’s the problem. You made your position on the issue obvious by referring to the actual problem as a “pissing match”. If you only care about politics when it comes to electing a president, then we’re all fucked.
Leftists are not trying to get you to not vote for Harris. We are trying to get you to DO SOMETHING BEYOND VOTING. And to admit that you’re supporting a genocidal candidate.
Because if y’all continue to just live under this delusion that Kamala isn’t genocidal, then you’ll never see any need to change.
Why was the choice set since like a year already? And we met the same hostility and “reasons” 9 months ago. Truth is not enough people care enough to push for change. They just wanted to feel that their lot is not threatened, solidarity be damned. Well this does not work, as history has infamously shown time and time again. Unless people band together they’ll be picked off one by one.