The Moment of Truth
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The reelection of Donald Trump would mark the end of George Washington’s vision for the presidency—and the United States.

I’m not a conservative myself, but I defy any conservative intending to vote for Donald Trump to read this comparison of Washington and Trump, and to honestly tell themselves afterwards that that they believe in America and its ideals.

  • Stiffneckedppl@lemmy.world
    161·
    2 months ago

    Exactly. The guard rails that kept Trump in check and protected democracy in his first term will not be there for his second. They are making sure of that.

    If he gets in its 4 years suck it up and move on. Then in 4years time campaign harder against him. Thats how democracy works.

    What a terrible take. This is either an incredibly uninformed opinion, or a Trump troll not arguing in good faith.

    • 🇦🇺𝕄𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕𝕔𝕣𝕠𝕔𝕕𝕚𝕝𝕖@lemm.ee
      15·
      2 months ago

      Exactly. The guard rails that kept Trump in check and protected democracy in his first term will not be there for his second. They are making sure of that.

      Where did they go? Did biden remove them? Did big bussiness remove them?

      What a terrible take. This is either an incredibly uninformed opinion, or a Trump troll not arguing in good faith.

      I dont live in a 3rd world country like america. My opinion is formed by observing ur cluster fuck of a country from outside while i enjoy my socialised healthcare and schools without guns. You can’t see the forest for the trees. And thus my perspective although no more valid than yours is arguably more informed in a balanced and nuanced way. Also this is bad faith schoolyard insults stop it.

      • TheDoozer@lemmy.world
        12·
        2 months ago

        Where did they go?

        I don’t blame you for not knowing, since you aren’t from the US, but the Republicans have spent the past decade denying federal judge positions (including the Supreme court) from being filled, and they are being filled with partial judges that are corrupt and exceptionally loyal to the Republican Party. Already because of that, courts are allowing blatantly unconstitutional laws and actions by Republicans (such as the presidential immunity ruling earlier this year to protect Trump), as well as dismantling established precedent that protected people and allowed the function of our government. Another four years would dramatically increase that, but more importantly, the checks to authority that previously existed (in the form of judicial oversight) is basically gone.

        Additionally, the threat of some kind of consequences have kept Trump in check to some degree, and the past four years have shown that no longer is a concern.

        So yes, the guard rails are off, and they have a whole goddamn plan known to anybody who isn’t deliberately ignoring it to allow them to continue to accumulate unchecked power.

        But yeah, it’s just four years, I’m sure no real damage can be done in that time and we can just vote him out, as long as our democracy lasts that long and votes even matter (considering electors can apparently just claim an election is fake news and just choose whoever they want, or governors can just appoint other electors to replace the real ones with no consequences).

        And yeah, school yard insults are something we should avoid. They aren’t idiots, they’re fascists, authoritarians.

        • 🇦🇺𝕄𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕𝕔𝕣𝕠𝕔𝕕𝕚𝕝𝕖@lemm.ee
          16·
          2 months ago

          the Republicans have spent the past decade denying federal judge positions (including the Supreme court) from being filled, and they are being filled with partial judges that are corrupt and exceptionally loyal to the Republican Party.

          how have thw republicans got away with this without the democrats doing the same thing?

          courts are allowing blatantly unconstitutional laws and actions by Republicans (such as the presidential immunity ruling earlier this year to protect Trump),

          Did presidential immunity get ruled on? Why cant biden just order the execution of trump since hes such a threat to democracy.

          Additionally, the threat of some kind of consequences have kept Trump in check to some degree, and the past four years have shown that no longer is a concern.

          Im sure the 2 attempts on his life are also keeping him in check as well eyyy.

          So yes, the guard rails are off, and they have a whole goddamn plan known to anybody who isn’t deliberately ignoring it to allow them to continue to accumulate unchecked power.

          Project 2025 is extremist bullshit that will never see the light of day. Its zelouts spreading fear and doubt as thats good for bussiness.

          But yeah, it’s just four years, I’m sure no real damage can be done in that time and we can just vote him out, as long as our democracy lasts that long and votes even matter

          Maybe if everyone had a gun maybe you could ensure that democracy lasts that long (thats what the founding father thought). Ur e-voting machines get hacked every year at defcon i already doubt if ur votes count.

          And yeah, school yard insults are something we should avoid. They aren’t idiots, they’re fascists, authoritarians.

          Stop diluting words that used to carry real meaning to word vomit insults that get said every 15seconds as some attempt to smear charecter.

          Id like harris to win purly cos its the only hope ukraine has. But i recon it would be funny af if trump won cos u will still have democracy in 4 years.

          Ur countries politics on both sides is captured by big bussiness who are bussy distracting you with a culture war, telling both sides the other is coming to kill democracy. The corporations are fucking you they havw captured ur regulatory agencies and ur politicians. They pledge allegiance to the bottom line, and u arguing about politics is a usefull distraction.