PHOENIX (AP) — Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance said Thursday that he lamented that school shootings are a “fact of life" and argued the U.S.
It’s only a fact of life if people like Vance let it be. There is more than can be done besides turning schools into fortresses and thoughts and prayers.
There is more than can be done besides turning schools into fortresses and thoughts and prayers.
I have almost 20 years of experience working in the public school system. You know those “fortresses”? They’re also for show. Unless you’re literally putting every child through a metal detector individually (which would take way too much time), any student can easily sneak a weapon right in their backpack. Schools simply do not have the time or resources to be checking every individual student every time the metal detector goes off, assuming they have one in the first place. Those bulletproof windows don’t do shit when the shooter is in the building already. And any adult can socially engineer their way to access by simply claiming to be a parent, vendor, substitute teacher, or whatever. I have been to dozens of districts. The number of “fortresses” that could effectively stop a school shooter is exactly zero.
Give me a public school building anywhere in the country, and I’ll show you ten ways that all of your security measures will do exactly nothing. I will bet large sums of money on it.
Oh absolutely, it is security theater. I did not mean to suggest that turning schools into fortresses was a valid solution, it’s just the only solution being offered up by people like Vance.
Yeah, I apologize. That came off as more argumentative than I intended. I wholeheartedly agree with you and was just trying to show the absurdity of the suggestion that turning our schools into fortresses would do a damn thing. Not only is it political theater, it’s a logistical, financial, and educational impossibility and any attempt at doing so could be easily thwarted in seconds in about 10 different ways.
I mean for the love of God, a shooter could just it in their car across the street and fire into the schoolyard during recess, or when kids are coming to/leaving school. I don’t care if the school is built like ADX-Florence. You ain’t stopping that. There will always be a bottleneck that can be exploited.
Turn schools into prisons. Yard time, guard towers, defensive walls, barbed wire, full-time security, all visitors logged, everyone goes through the metal detectors, no one goes to the bathroom alone, no personal belongings allowed in the cells, errrr, classrooms, no windows.
Unless they’re forced to live in the Fortress of Suck for the next 13 years of their lives and never, ever leave, there’s still the bottleneck that will happen every morning and every afternoon as kids come to and from school. They’ll be in a nice little stationary, single file line waiting to get into the building, or waiting for their children so they could leave.
I mean, the would-be murderer still needs to figure out how to kill large quantities of people standing in a nice single-file line and not moving. It’s not like he’d have some kind of semi-automatic weapons easily available to them that can turn people into various splattermarks on the ground before they even have a chance to react, ri…oh…
Yeah, basically you drop your kid off when they turn 6 and then they serve their twelve-year sentence…errrr, I mean education, and you pick them up again when they are released/graduate. They are allowed to have one visit a month though, but we can remove that policy, that way the only exposure will be on the days they’re being dropped off and picked up. Given the distribution of birthdays, this should keep total numbers at any one priso… school low enough to make other targets more appealing for the would-be shooter.
I’m glad to have worked on this with you, and I’m glad that we’ve saved public education in the United States. Ohhhhhsayyyycanuuuuuseeeee
Given the distribution of birthdays, this should keep total numbers at any one priso… school low enough to make other targets more appealing for the would-be shooter.
Actually, assuming an even distribution of birthdays, this would mean that populations at any one cam…I mean school, of course…would be roughly evenly distributed. No deterrent for a would-be shooter who can just pick any school and expect similar results. No bueno. I think a better way of doing it would be to separate them by race skin tone ethnicity common background. Yeah, that’s it. Common background. Because there’s no racism or anything. Separating them by <cough> common background will make the groups small enough where even if the shooter does attack, at least the body counts will be kept to a minimum. I mean it’s not like there’s any other reason why a shooter may want to target people with certain common backgrounds, so we’re just really protecting these kids while they’re at these cam…schools. So they can, uh, concentrate. Yeah. Concentration. That’s the word of the day. We may be on to something here godblessamericalandthatIlove…
The sheriff said a 16-year-old boy, for whom Friday was his first day at Joppatowne High School, shot a 15-year-old classmate in a bathroom. Gahler said it’s believed the victim was struck by a single gunshot.
A student at a high school shoots another student in the school and that’s not a school shooting to you?
It’s only a fact of life if people like Vance let it be. There is more than can be done besides turning schools into fortresses and thoughts and prayers.
Oh look… another school shooting today.
I have almost 20 years of experience working in the public school system. You know those “fortresses”? They’re also for show. Unless you’re literally putting every child through a metal detector individually (which would take way too much time), any student can easily sneak a weapon right in their backpack. Schools simply do not have the time or resources to be checking every individual student every time the metal detector goes off, assuming they have one in the first place. Those bulletproof windows don’t do shit when the shooter is in the building already. And any adult can socially engineer their way to access by simply claiming to be a parent, vendor, substitute teacher, or whatever. I have been to dozens of districts. The number of “fortresses” that could effectively stop a school shooter is exactly zero.
Give me a public school building anywhere in the country, and I’ll show you ten ways that all of your security measures will do exactly nothing. I will bet large sums of money on it.
Oh absolutely, it is security theater. I did not mean to suggest that turning schools into fortresses was a valid solution, it’s just the only solution being offered up by people like Vance.
Yeah, I apologize. That came off as more argumentative than I intended. I wholeheartedly agree with you and was just trying to show the absurdity of the suggestion that turning our schools into fortresses would do a damn thing. Not only is it political theater, it’s a logistical, financial, and educational impossibility and any attempt at doing so could be easily thwarted in seconds in about 10 different ways.
I mean for the love of God, a shooter could just it in their car across the street and fire into the schoolyard during recess, or when kids are coming to/leaving school. I don’t care if the school is built like ADX-Florence. You ain’t stopping that. There will always be a bottleneck that can be exploited.
Turn schools into prisons. Yard time, guard towers, defensive walls, barbed wire, full-time security, all visitors logged, everyone goes through the metal detectors, no one goes to the bathroom alone, no personal belongings allowed in the cells, errrr, classrooms, no windows.
See? Problem solved. School! Yayyy!
Unless they’re forced to live in the Fortress of Suck for the next 13 years of their lives and never, ever leave, there’s still the bottleneck that will happen every morning and every afternoon as kids come to and from school. They’ll be in a nice little stationary, single file line waiting to get into the building, or waiting for their children so they could leave.
I mean, the would-be murderer still needs to figure out how to kill large quantities of people standing in a nice single-file line and not moving. It’s not like he’d have some kind of semi-automatic weapons easily available to them that can turn people into various splattermarks on the ground before they even have a chance to react, ri…oh…
Yeah, basically you drop your kid off when they turn 6 and then they serve their twelve-year sentence…errrr, I mean education, and you pick them up again when they are released/graduate. They are allowed to have one visit a month though, but we can remove that policy, that way the only exposure will be on the days they’re being dropped off and picked up. Given the distribution of birthdays, this should keep total numbers at any one priso… school low enough to make other targets more appealing for the would-be shooter.
I’m glad to have worked on this with you, and I’m glad that we’ve saved public education in the United States. Ohhhhhsayyyycanuuuuuseeeee
Actually, assuming an even distribution of birthdays, this would mean that populations at any one cam…I mean school, of course…would be roughly evenly distributed. No deterrent for a would-be shooter who can just pick any school and expect similar results. No bueno. I think a better way of doing it would be to separate them by
race skin tone ethnicitycommon background. Yeah, that’s it. Common background. Because there’s no racism or anything. Separating them by <cough> common background will make the groups small enough where even if the shooter does attack, at least the body counts will be kept to a minimum. I mean it’s not like there’s any other reason why a shooter may want to target people with certain common backgrounds, so we’re just really protecting these kids while they’re at these cam…schools. So they can, uh, concentrate. Yeah. Concentration. That’s the word of the day. We may be on to something here godblessamericalandthatIlove…Fucking grim
I get your point but that’s not a school shooting. Still terrible though
A student at a high school shoots another student in the school and that’s not a school shooting to you?
You must have a very narrow definition of school shooting.