• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    The illegal dissollution of the USSR was one of Humanity’s greatest tragedies, and anyone who thinks the Russian Federation is an improvement needs to do some serious introspection.

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      What was so illegal? Possibly the millions of USSR citizens taking the first flight or ride out of the Soviet bloc when it became available. Very illegal for the proletariat I’m sure.

  • Alsephina@lemmy.mlOP
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    From one of the comments

    Countries listed by the first launches of artificial Earth satellites:

    1. USSR - 1957

    2. USA - 1958

    3. UK - 1962

    4. Canada - 1962

    5. Italy - 1964

    6. France - 1965

    7. Australia - 1967

    8. Europe - 1968

    9. Germany - 1969

    10. Japan - 1970

    11. China - 1970

    12. Poland - 1973

    13. Netherlands - 1974

    14. Spain - 1974

    15. India - 1975

    Countries listed by the first launches of space satellites with their own launch vehicles:

    1. USSR - October 4, 1957

    2. USA - February 1, 1958

    3. France - November 26, 1965

    4. Italy - April 26, 1967

    5. Japan - February 11, 1970

    6. China - April 24, 1970

    7. UK - October 28, 1971

    • European Union - December 24, 1979
    1. India - 18 July 1980

    2. Israel - September 19, 1988

    • Russia - January 21, 1992

    • Ukraine - August 31, 1995

    1. Iran - February 2, 2009

    2. DPRK - December 12, 2012

    3. Republic of Korea - 30 January 2013

    4. New Zealand - January 21, 2018

    Countries listed by the first flights of astronauts:

    1. USSR - April 12, 1961

    2. USA - May 5, 1961

    3. Czechoslovakia - March 2, 1978

    4. Poland - June 27, 1978

    5. GDR - 26 August 1978

    6. Bulgaria - April 10, 1979

    7. Hungary - May 26, 1980

    8. Vietnam - July 23, 1980

    9. Cuba - September 18, 1980

    10. Mongolia - March 22, 1981

    11. Romania - May 14, 1981

    12. France - June 24, 1982

    13. FRG - November 28, 1983

    14. India - April 3, 1984

    15. Canada - October 5, 1984

    Countries listed by the number of first-of-its-kind spacecraft (remarkable, of historical significance, with achievements that were made for the first time by one of the countries) until 1992:

    1. USSR - 21

    2. USA - 15

    3. EU - 1

    Countries listed by the number of spacecraft launched to explore the solar system, as well as first-of-its-kind or noteworthy vehicles launched into low Earth orbit before 1992:

    1. USSR - 115

    2. USA - 84

    3. EU - 4

    4. Japan - 4

    5. Germany - 2

    6. UK - 1

    Countries listed by the number of successful orbital launches (not including emergency and partially emergency) until 1992:

    1. USSR - 2278

    2. USA - 903

    3. Japan - 42

    4. France - 39

    5. China - 27

    6. EU - 13

    7. Kenya* - 9

    8. India - 3

    9. Australia - 2

    10. Israel - 2

    • Italian naval spaceport “San Marco” located off the coast of Kenya and used to launch American missiles “Scout”.

    Countries listed by the lowest proportion of emergency orbital launches for countries with more than 10 launches before 1992:

    1. USSR - 5.54%

    2. EU - 7.14%

    3. USA - 11.25%

    4. Japan - 12.24%

    5. France - 14.89%

    6. China - 17.65%

    Countries listed by the lowest proportion of accidental and partially accidental orbital launches for countries with more than 10 launches before 1992:

    1. USSR - 7.13%

    2. EU - 7.14%

    3. Japan - 14.29%

    4. USA - 14.65%

    5. France - 17.02%

    6. China - 20.59%

    The number of dead astronauts:

    • when performing space flight: in the USSR - 4, in the USA - 14;

    • in preparation for space flight: the USSR - 1, the USA - 5.

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    Is this some contemporary soviet propaganda? I mean all the people who died for political reasons or because the state economy was mismanaged probably don’t care much about these achievements.

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      (To borrow from Cowbee’s comment a bit) Wealth inequality was far lower in the Soviet Union’s socialist system than the Tsarist system before it, the capitalist system after it was overthrown (obviously), and than western capitalist countries in the same time period.

      https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/soviets-oligarchs-inequality-and-property-russia-1905-2016

      Source

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        No wonder then that 90% of the Soviet population voted to stay in the Union, but of course that didn’t stop its overthrow because capitalists had already taken it over by then.

        A poll in 2009

        As time passes though, the capitalist propaganda that kids in these places grow up with will probably start to outweigh the lived experiences of worsened living conditions after capitalists overthrew the USSR that their parents had. It’s sad.

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        Funny you focus on whatever this is and conveniently ignore the millions murdered by the state.

        I’m here because my family escaped that shit.

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          Funny you focus on whatever this is

          Is it a bad thing to highlight that wealth disparity dramatically shrank in the USSR and dramatically increased in the Russian Federation?

          and conveniently ignore the millions murdered by the state.

          Are you referring to Nazi sympathizers, the Tsarist White Army, or Capitalist insurgents?

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              What “other tens of millions?” Where are you getting those numbers, the Black Book of Communism, which was debunked by its own writers?

              Must be easy to be a right-winger, you can conjure numbers out of thin-air and positions on vibes, rather than actually look at history in any capacity.

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                  Doesn’t seem like you care about any facts of history, lol, to the point where you call Nazis “innocents” and pretend the USSR had famines during the Space Race.

                  Read Blackshirts and Reds. Or, don’t, just remain a clueless right-winger rewriting history as the US Empire crumbles around you.

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          Mine too, it’s hard to call the dissolution of USSR illegal when it was initiated by people escaping Soviet bloc countries in droves.

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          Exactly. This is probably a moron who read about USSR on facebook. Those were horrible times full of oppression and corruption. I was raised in one of the sattelite countries and no. Those were bad very bad times unless you were a child of a small corrupted russian boot licker.

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      I’m sure homeless people and victims of the opioid crisis in the US also don’t care about US achievements in for example the olympics but people still talk about them.