You claimed a lack of rare earth magnets would send technology back to milling grain and pumping water. But they weren’t invented until the 1970’s. The Tesla model S doesn’t even use them.
You claimed PV solar isn’t self sustainable but we already know it’s cost, which includes profit margins at every stage of manufacturing and transportation, is lower than the energy output over a panels lifetime. That means it is not only self sustainable but makes enough surplus energy for people to live off the jobs of manufacturing the PV panels.
No, you consistently fail to understand the whole mode of the argument. Rare earth magnets is a red herring which you brought up. Cost of PV is another such.
I gave up because what you said towards the conversation tail made me realize you’re missing too much on your end to be worth my time and are unwilling to investigate on your own. If you “refuted” something, be my guest. I wish it was that easy with reality.
The cost of PV is not a red herring in that the consumer cost is the culmination of all manufacturing efforts required to make PV including profits for everyone. Because of this you can’t claim there are hidden supply chain problems with PV panels without providing any evidence.
I already addressed your, “research it yourself” deflection.
I’m running informal sampling about the effectiveness of third party entry-level educational materials on a difficult topic, on a fringe platform. So far the finge platform is not showing a difference to mainstream ones, as potentially possible from audience self-filtering. While N is low the visible conversion factor so far is zero.
To directly address your comment: I am extremely aware of practice of solar PV in Germany, I live there and installed some 2kWp on my roof by myself. Your link has zero relevance to the argument whether current and near future renewable power is autopoietic and whether it also can also create, maintain and power the current global technological society. You need to look at primary energy consumption globally, because solar power infrastructure is merely installed in Germany, using mostly external resources.
I will not continue this thread further unless you can show me you’re worth my time.
Uh. You’re missing way more puzzle pieces than I thought. Little point in continuing this conversation.
I refuted your points. That’s what a debate is.
You claimed a lack of rare earth magnets would send technology back to milling grain and pumping water. But they weren’t invented until the 1970’s. The Tesla model S doesn’t even use them.
You claimed PV solar isn’t self sustainable but we already know it’s cost, which includes profit margins at every stage of manufacturing and transportation, is lower than the energy output over a panels lifetime. That means it is not only self sustainable but makes enough surplus energy for people to live off the jobs of manufacturing the PV panels.
No, you consistently fail to understand the whole mode of the argument. Rare earth magnets is a red herring which you brought up. Cost of PV is another such.
I gave up because what you said towards the conversation tail made me realize you’re missing too much on your end to be worth my time and are unwilling to investigate on your own. If you “refuted” something, be my guest. I wish it was that easy with reality.
The cost of PV is not a red herring in that the consumer cost is the culmination of all manufacturing efforts required to make PV including profits for everyone. Because of this you can’t claim there are hidden supply chain problems with PV panels without providing any evidence.
I already addressed your, “research it yourself” deflection.
This is faith for you.
Here is an essay https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/solar-panels-another-exercise-in I have come across covering things I thought you could find relatively easily on your own. If you’re motivated you can fact-check and use it as a point of departure for further reseach. If you’re really motivated I can recommend Tim Murphy’s textbook https://escholarship.org/uc/item/9js5291m
I could provide proof that your links have mistakes but you should do your own research. I think you can find them relatively easily on your own.
To get you started, compare these numbers which are sourced against your textbook.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_Germany
This concludes the experiment. I did not expect a different outcome.
You expect others to do research to come to your conclusions but won’t do research to come to others conclusions.
I even went out of my way to provide you a link that showed a mistake. What research did you do to prove yourself wrong?
I’m running informal sampling about the effectiveness of third party entry-level educational materials on a difficult topic, on a fringe platform. So far the finge platform is not showing a difference to mainstream ones, as potentially possible from audience self-filtering. While N is low the visible conversion factor so far is zero.
To directly address your comment: I am extremely aware of practice of solar PV in Germany, I live there and installed some 2kWp on my roof by myself. Your link has zero relevance to the argument whether current and near future renewable power is autopoietic and whether it also can also create, maintain and power the current global technological society. You need to look at primary energy consumption globally, because solar power infrastructure is merely installed in Germany, using mostly external resources.
I will not continue this thread further unless you can show me you’re worth my time.