I wish didn’t get bored of jobs so easily. Like, getting to use a cutting torch sounds fun, but I know that by the time I was any good at it I’d be sick of it already.
This line never made sense. Does anyone WANT to work? I don’t think most want to spend majority of their life making someone else money. Like I’m sure some people find fulfillment in their jobs but for most who are just cogs in a machine, pretty sure they don’t want to work. They HAVE to work to make a living.
I sure would love to not work and focus on building/maintaining communities, a job in public works would be ideal but they don’t pay enough and require too much.
I’m a nurse (in Europe), and I do have a lot of fun at work. Sure, it can be hard or a grind sometimes, but at the end of 95% of my shifts I feel satisfied that I helped people. The atmosphere is good among colleagues and we have a killer union. It’s ridiculous how secure my position is.
All in all, I truly enjoy what I do and after a long period of absence from work, whether it was to study, get better during illness or simply after a week or two off, I long to work again; help people; have a laugh with my colleagues.
Not all jobs are the same and I know that, I’m just lucky to be doing ‘my dream job’ and that I found it early in life.
I feel like the only way to respond to that shit is with a simple, “Nobody has wanted to work ever.”
If either: people had the option to get paid at their current rate but not have to do their current job at all anymore…or the opposite, that they were expected to keep working at their current job but were told they’d no longer receive any pay for it ever again…how many do you think would still keep working at that job?
Way less than 1%.
Because (very nearly) nobody wants to work. They want money, and the most common way of getting money is… you guess it…to work.
The whole point of employment is that you’re performing a task that nobody is going to just do for free because they like it…so whomever wants that task to be done has to offer an incentive to get people to do it instead of literally anything else.
Idk, once I have enough to retire, I’ll certainly quit my job, but my hobbies look very similar to my job. The thing I don’t like about my job is the obligation, not the actual work itself, and I’d probably end up spending a similar amount of time if I didn’t need the paycheck, I’d just do it at different times in the day (like 2-3 hours in the morning, 5-6 hours in the evening).
I’m a software developer and my hobbies are FOSS projects. I like my job, but I love my hobby projects even more. I’d even take a modest pay cut if I could work on FOSS full-time.
So if your job sent you an email tomorrow that said they were going to stop paying you from here on out, indefinitely, you’d quit working for them and do something you wanted to do instead, even if it was broadly similar to what you are currently doing for them?
If they gave me a lump sum such that I don’t need the money anymore, I’d probably keep working there for a year or two at least, but reduce my hours a bit. I like my company, team, and project, so it’s nice to have something steady to work on. It’s not my ideal setup, but it’s consistent and good enough.
But longer term, yeah, I’d probably replace that time with FOSS work once I get onto a really interesting project.
No, I’m saying I would stick with my job for 1-2 years if I didn’t need the money and they stopped paying me. I’m not going to work for free while I need money, but I’d be happy to work for free once I no longer need money.
It doesn’t change that fact whether they are paying you before the work is done or after. It’s still a transaction. You contribute time and effort to them, they contribute compensation to you for that time and effort.
And everyone needs money, it’s just that some have more than others.
If you hit the lottery tomorrow and won 500 million dollars, maybe not immediately, but you would almost definitely not continue to work at your job volunteering your time and labor to help them make money (and if you would, you shouldn’t, because that devalues the labor of your coworkers and everyone else in your field).
Mind you, I’m not at all saying this is a bad thing. If anything, it’s a good thing. I’m not sure why you seem to feel the need to make yourself an exception, but really, the only people I’ve encountered who are an exception to this rule are people who are both working in a field where the labor itself is intrinsically rewarding (teachers, caregivers, medical professionals, artists, chefs, brewers, etc.) and would be financially supported by another when the pay stopped (usually a spouse but sometimes wealthy parents, etc.).
And in those cases, it’s really not even an exception so much as it is splitting the circumstance across two people, because even then, they’re just getting a free ride to do what they want and ignore the need for money that drives the labor market.
I’m also certainly not saying “everyone hates their job”. Lots of people enjoy their work and that’s great! But for the vast majority of people, if they were no longer to receive a paycheck from their employer, they’d do something else. Either because they needed money, or because there are things they’d enjoy even more than their job that they can do with that time. It’s not a criticism, just an observation.
I wish didn’t get bored of jobs so easily. Like, getting to use a cutting torch sounds fun, but I know that by the time I was any good at it I’d be sick of it already.
Careful, you’re encouraging the “no one wants to work anymore” crowd.
This line never made sense. Does anyone WANT to work? I don’t think most want to spend majority of their life making someone else money. Like I’m sure some people find fulfillment in their jobs but for most who are just cogs in a machine, pretty sure they don’t want to work. They HAVE to work to make a living.
I sure would love to not work and focus on building/maintaining communities, a job in public works would be ideal but they don’t pay enough and require too much.
I’m a nurse (in Europe), and I do have a lot of fun at work. Sure, it can be hard or a grind sometimes, but at the end of 95% of my shifts I feel satisfied that I helped people. The atmosphere is good among colleagues and we have a killer union. It’s ridiculous how secure my position is.
All in all, I truly enjoy what I do and after a long period of absence from work, whether it was to study, get better during illness or simply after a week or two off, I long to work again; help people; have a laugh with my colleagues.
Not all jobs are the same and I know that, I’m just lucky to be doing ‘my dream job’ and that I found it early in life.
I feel like the only way to respond to that shit is with a simple, “Nobody has wanted to work ever.”
If either: people had the option to get paid at their current rate but not have to do their current job at all anymore…or the opposite, that they were expected to keep working at their current job but were told they’d no longer receive any pay for it ever again…how many do you think would still keep working at that job?
Way less than 1%.
Because (very nearly) nobody wants to work. They want money, and the most common way of getting money is… you guess it…to work.
The whole point of employment is that you’re performing a task that nobody is going to just do for free because they like it…so whomever wants that task to be done has to offer an incentive to get people to do it instead of literally anything else.
Idk, once I have enough to retire, I’ll certainly quit my job, but my hobbies look very similar to my job. The thing I don’t like about my job is the obligation, not the actual work itself, and I’d probably end up spending a similar amount of time if I didn’t need the paycheck, I’d just do it at different times in the day (like 2-3 hours in the morning, 5-6 hours in the evening).
I’m a software developer and my hobbies are FOSS projects. I like my job, but I love my hobby projects even more. I’d even take a modest pay cut if I could work on FOSS full-time.
So if your job sent you an email tomorrow that said they were going to stop paying you from here on out, indefinitely, you’d quit working for them and do something you wanted to do instead, even if it was broadly similar to what you are currently doing for them?
Thanks, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.
If they gave me a lump sum such that I don’t need the money anymore, I’d probably keep working there for a year or two at least, but reduce my hours a bit. I like my company, team, and project, so it’s nice to have something steady to work on. It’s not my ideal setup, but it’s consistent and good enough.
But longer term, yeah, I’d probably replace that time with FOSS work once I get onto a really interesting project.
That’s a very creative and roundabout way of saying you do expect to be paid for your work and would quit your job if they quit paying you.
No, I’m saying I would stick with my job for 1-2 years if I didn’t need the money and they stopped paying me. I’m not going to work for free while I need money, but I’d be happy to work for free once I no longer need money.
You said, and I quote:
That’s payment. For your work.
It doesn’t change that fact whether they are paying you before the work is done or after. It’s still a transaction. You contribute time and effort to them, they contribute compensation to you for that time and effort.
And everyone needs money, it’s just that some have more than others.
If you hit the lottery tomorrow and won 500 million dollars, maybe not immediately, but you would almost definitely not continue to work at your job volunteering your time and labor to help them make money (and if you would, you shouldn’t, because that devalues the labor of your coworkers and everyone else in your field).
Mind you, I’m not at all saying this is a bad thing. If anything, it’s a good thing. I’m not sure why you seem to feel the need to make yourself an exception, but really, the only people I’ve encountered who are an exception to this rule are people who are both working in a field where the labor itself is intrinsically rewarding (teachers, caregivers, medical professionals, artists, chefs, brewers, etc.) and would be financially supported by another when the pay stopped (usually a spouse but sometimes wealthy parents, etc.).
And in those cases, it’s really not even an exception so much as it is splitting the circumstance across two people, because even then, they’re just getting a free ride to do what they want and ignore the need for money that drives the labor market.
I’m also certainly not saying “everyone hates their job”. Lots of people enjoy their work and that’s great! But for the vast majority of people, if they were no longer to receive a paycheck from their employer, they’d do something else. Either because they needed money, or because there are things they’d enjoy even more than their job that they can do with that time. It’s not a criticism, just an observation.