• henfredemars@infosec.pub
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      With what? Where would you store the encryption key for the encryption key on a desktop system where it would not be accessible to an attacker?

      Perhaps there could be a pin or password that must be entered every time to decrypt it into memory.

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        As the article states, currently all processes are able to read the file which contains the key. Instead, you could store the key in the macOS Keychain (and Linux/Windows equivalents), which AFAIK is a list of all sorts of sensitive data (think WiFi passwords etc.), encrypted with your user password. I believe the Keychain also only let’s certain processes see certain entries, so the Signal Desktop App could see only its own encryption key, whereas for example iMessage would only see the iMessage encryption key.

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          There is no single keychain on Linux, and supposedly on Windows too. Signal would need to either support a few dozens of password managers or require a specific one, both options terrible in their own way. This isn’t something that can be done without making broad assumptions about the user’s system.

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            I’m not too knowledgeable on that topic, but doesn’t Linux store WiFi or smb-share passwords in some keychain?

            Edit: missread your comment a little, I’m guessing you meant that there are multiple different keychains on Linux

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              Either multiple different keychains or even you can have no keychain-like application in your system at all.

              The WiFi passwords are usually stored in /etc/NetworkManager as plain files. Granted, they are not accessible directly by non-root users as they are being managed by the NetworkManager daemon, but there is nothing generic for such a thing. Signal rolling a similar daemon for itself would be an overkill. The big desktop environments (GNOME, KDE…) usually have their own keychain-like programs that the programs provided by these environments use, but that only solves this problem for the users of these specific environments.

              To me it’s perfectly expected the Signal encryption keys are readable by my user account.

      • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
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        6 months ago

        Something you know, something you have, something you are.

        3FA:

        • Pin
        • Security Key/TPM/Secure element
        • fingerprint / iris scan

        You could also start with just one of these

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          Isn’t the idea that not everyone has access to your biometrics?

          There’s honestly no need to make computers ask people for piss scans:

          something you know

          A password

          something you have

          Access to the password

          something you are

          The person who knows the password

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              But that can be said of any of the other such called factors:

              A yubikey can be stolen

              A fingerprint can be scanned and distributed

              So its not really an argument against passwords (or passkeys, or passwordless, or whatever marketing want to call them these days).

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                Most people just need to fear their passwords being cracked remotely. In masses.

                If your threat model is being known, people stealing your stuff to login to your things, this is very high.

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                My yubikey can be stolen but good luck guessing my PIN in the 3 to 9 tries allowed before it self destructs.