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The Israeli military says its Northern Command has approved operational plans for war with Lebanon.
Israel is ready for an “all-out war” in Lebanon and has plans approved for an offensive targeting Hezbollah, officials have said.
Israel and Hezbollah have been engaged in border fighting since shortly after the start of the war on Gaza, following the October 7 attacks on Israel. The confrontation is increasingly expanding, with both sides saying they are ready to go to war.
More than 400 people have been killed in Lebanon, including journalists and paramedics, over the past eight months, with 25 deaths in Israel. At least 90,000 people have been displaced in Lebanon, and more than 60,000 have been forced from their homes in northern Israel.
You don’t need to ask me how I prefer calling a regime in a country in order to make it look bad. I don’t have such preferences. There are people suffering in any country including yours, and their lives could get better with new elections. This is not an extraordinary situation.
I don’t need to invent words for Israel. I would call it bad when I see it does terrible things to its own people. This is not a case for now and from what I know, there is no imminent conflict/crisis between government and citizens. That’s aside from the war conflict/intervention situation of course. I would also appreciate hamas if they did a better job at governing gaza, but instead they bombed it with inaccurate missiles as a side effect of trying to harm Israel. This is a huge difference - I call the Palestinian regime bad because of that, and suggest they could manage it much better. When compared to Israel, I don’t see much obvious room for improvement (I don’t see a lot of Israeli people suffering) and thus I can’t call it bad.
“Bad” is not a form of government. You claim it isn’t a dictatorship. What form of government is it? Don’t change the subject.
You’re changing the subject by trying to describe it with unsuitable words. Your actual thought is that it’s bad and should be changed, but you first tried calling it a dictatorship, then autocracy. People of Israel aren’t living in such conditions yet. Better just get back to “doing war is bad” stance.
https://learn.rumie.org/jR/bytes/what-s-the-difference-between-autocracy-and-dictatorship/
Now… if it is neither an autocracy nor a dictatorship, what is Israel’s form of government. Surely you aren’t trying to suggest that Israel has no government.
As I said before, there is no line. You can’t assume some regime fell into the other side after a short time. These things develop for years. Or could you try to classify the US regime? Surely it’s not a democracy when people can only choose between 2.
At this point it’s clear that the reason you can’t tell me what form of government Israel has is because you know it’s a dictatorship and you can’t think of a way to admit that while also maintaining that it isn’t one.
Also, the U.S. is a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Classified and done.
As you wish, I don’t care. The original comment claimed it to be a dictatorship, it’s up to them to provide evidence. They failed.
You not accepting the evidence does not mean it was not provided.
You not being able to say what form of government Israel is if it is not a dictatorship is good enough evidence for me that you have no argument against the claim.
Either it is a dictatorship or it has a different form of government. You can’t say what it is. Your challenge on defining the American government (again, constitutional republic) as if that wasn’t possible was quite amusing though.
Forms of government is something my 14-year-old daughter learned in school last semester, so I would think you would be old enough to have been taught what they were. Apparently not.
Your thinking what you provided is an evidence doesn’t mean it was it. But by all means, go on.
Not helping. Apartheid or not, my criteria is how well government cares about its citizens, and that term ignores that. Political gain or not, my stance is that it started with October 7th attack, which was not prepared by current Israeli government, therefore it’s correct to blame another party. Protesters doing their thing is good for everyone, we should start worrying when they are unable to do that anymore due to oppressive laws, police raids etc.
Sure, if you ignore the discrimination and inequality of the millions of Palestinian citizens of Israel, on top of the millions within the Occupied Territories that have been under Israeli Military Control since 1967. If you ignore all of that, then your criteria of ‘how well government cares about its citizens’ could make sense.
Your criteria doesn’t make sense, and ignores the reality of Apartheid. If you consider a democracy based on equality, liberty and freedom of expression, and also consider all aspects of the Apartheid Regime; Israel falls tremendously short of being a Democracy.
You didn’t see the comment tree? It’s about Netanyahu. Are you going to pretend he is responsible for all of that?
When we’re talking about whether or not some person is a dictator - yes, its irrelevant. Dictatorship is about having a power against the will of too many citizens, also silencing them, jailing them, killing them etc.
Don’t need that. There are not 2 types of government. It may not be a democracy, but it’s similarly difficult to qualify as a dictatorship.
Palestinian citizens are about 20% of Israeli population. Black people are about 14% of the US population. Both of them hold legal citizenships and rights but often face disparities. Does that make the US an apartheid by your logic?
Considering he’s part of the Likud party which was created out of the Lehi and Irgun, it’s certainly relevant.
That is the reality for Palestinians, yes
Again, you are conveniently ignoring the Palestinians within the Occupied Territories. And yes, America during Chattel Slavery, where Black people did not have citizenship, was certainly a form of Apartheid.
Whatever you prefer calling occupied territories, I don’t consider a subject for dictatorship. Dictatorship is something I consider an internal state of the country, so no other territories should affect it. An aggression on neighbouring territories can be a result of dictatorship but never a reason for it. So whatever is going on with “occupied” territories is not a subject for this discussion for me.
This is not a normal temporary occupation. The West Bank and Gaza as occupied territories were created by the Ethnic Cleansing of the indigenous Palestinian people from the Zionist Campaign of Plan Dalet starting in 1947. The West Bank, Gaza, and the rest of Israel are all Historic Palestine. The permanent occupation / apartheid is a direct result of Settler Colonialism.
These are not ‘neighboring territories’ like France and Spain would be. Would you also ignore the bantustans of Apartheid South Africa when determining if that government was a dictatorship or not? Or the Native American reservations of America during Manifest Destiny?
Occupation is never normal. I’m not ignoring it. Just saying that dictatorship is a different thing that is hardly related to it this case and otherwise too. Also my point is that it just looks increasingly stupid when people ar first blamed Israel for being bloodthirsty killers and then switched to “oh that’s all because Netanyahu wants to remain in power”, as if it would immediately cease if Netanyahu disappears.