Do you have proof of this? Apple generally does not comply with requests for data unless legally mandated (which not all companies hold firm to, some just hand it over on request (Ring security… Any bells? 😂)). Additionally, they’ve made significant strides to enable E2E encryption across icloud and their devices, making the data inaccessible by anyone but the device owner.
If the police or government wants your phone records, including text messages, all they have to do is ask. Every phone carrier and company will provide everything when requested.
Source? Worked for a major carrier.
More source? How do you think there’s always message records during trials.
Believing Apple won’t give away your entire history is as smart as using an Anon phone for drugs.
Please provide sources for occurances of this when E2E icloud encryption has been enabled and iMessage has been used. Additionally, I think you’re a bit deluded here by your experience. A carrier cannot possibly provide iMessage data, as they simply do not have it. iMessage is encrypted and uses standard tcp/ip protocols for communication. It is not an sms or RCS based service relying on unencrypted relay servers. I currently work for a law firm as a systems engineer so I’m intimately familiar with the legal data request processes. Things potentially worked like that 10-15 years ago, but your understanding is far out of date and out of touch.
I’m not magic, do not confuse those with greater understanding than you with mystical abilities.
Im not sure what “sources” you want, that’s simply how the system works. If your carrier had access to encrypted data over tcp/ip with tls you might as well give up any hope for privacy, but by open source community backed design that is not allowed. Encrypted connections are encrypted. So i guess heres some sources on iMessage, the new PQ3 cryptographic protocol they’re layering ontop of the current encryption protocol, some academic white papers describing its implementation, a link to how tls encryption works, a link to a well known public event where Apple refused to backdoor their encryption leading them to legal battles from the government even up to current day, and a link to a amicis brief dating back to 2015 (no connection to my firm) where they’re unable to retrieve encrypted data from an iPhone even back then… Feel free to enlighten yourself; although I do get the feeling that aside from sitting down beside you, going over every single line of source code and design implmentation, and explaining how it all works to you that you’d change your mind. Luckily security researchers exist and im sure if you check your local scollarly database (or, le gasp, google scholar should you /trust/ it) you’ll find this information.
Re: everything else.
I appreciate the tech details, but it doesn’t mean anything when prosecutors submit messages in trials. The government will get your messages when they want them.
Unless the police want it. Then it’s available.
Do you have proof of this? Apple generally does not comply with requests for data unless legally mandated (which not all companies hold firm to, some just hand it over on request (Ring security… Any bells? 😂)). Additionally, they’ve made significant strides to enable E2E encryption across icloud and their devices, making the data inaccessible by anyone but the device owner.
If the police or government wants your phone records, including text messages, all they have to do is ask. Every phone carrier and company will provide everything when requested.
Source? Worked for a major carrier. More source? How do you think there’s always message records during trials.
Believing Apple won’t give away your entire history is as smart as using an Anon phone for drugs.
Please provide sources for occurances of this when E2E icloud encryption has been enabled and iMessage has been used. Additionally, I think you’re a bit deluded here by your experience. A carrier cannot possibly provide iMessage data, as they simply do not have it. iMessage is encrypted and uses standard tcp/ip protocols for communication. It is not an sms or RCS based service relying on unencrypted relay servers. I currently work for a law firm as a systems engineer so I’m intimately familiar with the legal data request processes. Things potentially worked like that 10-15 years ago, but your understanding is far out of date and out of touch.
Okay dokey 👍
You’re genuinely deluded with a lack of understanding. If you cannot provide sources for your dogma, please stop spilling it.
You have got to be joking.
Where are your sources, magic law firm man?
I’m not magic, do not confuse those with greater understanding than you with mystical abilities.
Im not sure what “sources” you want, that’s simply how the system works. If your carrier had access to encrypted data over tcp/ip with tls you might as well give up any hope for privacy, but by open source community backed design that is not allowed. Encrypted connections are encrypted. So i guess heres some sources on iMessage, the new PQ3 cryptographic protocol they’re layering ontop of the current encryption protocol, some academic white papers describing its implementation, a link to how tls encryption works, a link to a well known public event where Apple refused to backdoor their encryption leading them to legal battles from the government even up to current day, and a link to a amicis brief dating back to 2015 (no connection to my firm) where they’re unable to retrieve encrypted data from an iPhone even back then… Feel free to enlighten yourself; although I do get the feeling that aside from sitting down beside you, going over every single line of source code and design implmentation, and explaining how it all works to you that you’d change your mind. Luckily security researchers exist and im sure if you check your local scollarly database (or, le gasp, google scholar should you /trust/ it) you’ll find this information.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMessage
https://security.apple.com/assets/files/Security_analysis_of_the_iMessage_PQ3_protocol_Stebila.pdf
https://security.apple.com/assets/files/A_Formal_Analysis_of_the_iMessage_PQ3_Messaging_Protocol_Basin_et_al.pdf
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple–FBI_encryption_dispute
https://epic.org/documents/apple-v-fbi-2/
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That’s good, I laughed.
Re: everything else.
I appreciate the tech details, but it doesn’t mean anything when prosecutors submit messages in trials. The government will get your messages when they want them.
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