• FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml
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    6 months ago

    At this point ppl still support the guy giving bombs to kill children. USA cant be saved

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      6 months ago

      Are you suggesting to not vote in protest and let those people win?

      https://www.businessinsider.com/nikki-haley-wrote-finish-them-idf-shell-israel-visit-lawmaker-2024-5

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-told-donors-he-will-crush-pro-palestinian-protests-deport-demonstrators/ar-BB1n7F9z

      They made sure Israel is supported, Biden mostly cared about support of Ukraine and Taiwan, but Israel was bundled because of Republicans.

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        6 months ago

        Biden has specifically said many times that he supports Israel and that he is a Zionist…

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          6 months ago

          Zionism is a movement that believes Israel should exist. I would imagine the majority of Americans support that too even if they might be against the current operation in Gaza.

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        6 months ago

        My suggestion gets removed by mods for “advocating for violence” or something, but no, i dont support one war criminal over another

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      6 months ago

      But this isn’t the only issue. Yeah, it’s horrible Biden is doing this, but with Trump, he would stock the SCOTUS with more far right judges and start taking rights away from people.

      Also, those in jail for storming the capital, I’m guessing pardoned on day one.

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        The SCOTUS issue is real, but even if we ignore it, trump is openly pro Israel. His 2017-2020 record shows that too. I can’t comprehend how someone would think it could be possibly better with trump for Palestinians. I’m convinced that if he was in charge he would actually send US soldiers to fight with IDF in Gaza. He nearly started war with Iran, because (his words), Nethanyahu told him to.

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          6 months ago

          I think the person was basically saying we should elect someone else for president other than Trump or Biden. But like every other election, our choices are a douche or turd sandwich.

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            I understand that, but the First Past The Post voting method doesn’t allow more than two parties. The third party doesn’t act anything but a spoiler, it is impossible for it to ever win and your vote for a 3rd party is essentially the same as not voting at all. This is how disinformation is used to persuade people who don’t want trump to not vote or essentially throw away your vote in protest.

            I’ve been fooled this way in 2016 and don’t want others to make the same mistake.

            We should push on local levels to adopt RCV (Ranked Choice Voting) to allow voting for candidates that closet matches our goals without worrying about spoiler effect and someone who we really don’t want winning.

            Also a lot of how our delivery degraded was thanks to SCOTUS. Conservative judges ruled that money is free speech and sending money to politicians should not be restricted.

            Second big hit was destroying voting rights act making out harder for unrepresented minorities to vote.

            And guess what, during trump presidency he appointed 3 conservative judges and now it is 6-3 (conservative vs progressive) this is why Roe vs Wade was repealed and other shenanigans.

            Those judges are appointed for life (so those 3 will affect us for decades) and there are another 2 judges that are at age that could be replaced.

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          6 months ago

          Not every question is a bad thing. Discussion has uses. Grow up and quit mimicking people without having any idea what you’re talking about.

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              6 months ago

              A bunch of people were downvoting them but nobody has anything to say about it. It’s like when you ask a kid why he hit friend and the kids just says “noooooooo”. Grow up.

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        6 months ago

        Sure.

        When a man and a woman love each other very much, they support the party that will promote solutions to their problems, you see? Those solutions are not absolute, the party platform is not absolute, and in fact nothing on heaven and earth is absolute. It’s one of the disappointments everyone eventually learns that comes with being older than 18. So you and your meth sniffing tankie buddies can finally, after months of insufferable assholishness, get the fuck out. You’re not helping anyone. Not even yourselves.

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          I’m legit confused. What is it that you think you will accomplish by acting like anyone that anyone who mentions the thing that Biden is doing “which shall not be spoken of” is some sort of fascist? Do you honestly think that there are potential voters that haven’t happened to heard about it yet? You’re not keeping this a secret from anyone who cares to vote. There are not a bunch of centrists who have been in comas.

          Look, there is a much great chance of me becoming president this year, then there is of me voting for Trump. That said, it is still infuriating that anyone who just mentions what Biden does is seen as some far right extremist. There is no reason for it. It makes no sense. Communication is strength.

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            The problem is that the propagandosphere makes people so dumb they think opposing genocide is fascism. Theres no point arguing with them

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          It’s amazing that you don’t see what they are doing to you. They have you so terrified of trump that you literally flip out on anyone that even mentions the headless gazan kids, as if just saying what’s going on is some sort of fascist flag. You can have open discourse, it won’t kill you. Discussion is a good thing. Communication is your friend. Not everyone who talks about what is happening is out to get you.