Disclaimer: I know the flag looks like shit. I didn’t really try and make a well done, symmetric n**i flag. The entire point is to illustrate the general intent, not to make a symmetric “asshole flag”.

Edit: the sample size isn’t that big yet, but around 20% (19.51% as of this edit) of downvotes is definitely uncannily aligned with the average percentage of far right voters… (I’d show data from the US too, but you guys haven’t yet learned how to count to three in politics… So data is severely lacking.)

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      People can be around others without instantly becoming whatever the others are. You probably don’t know about being your own person though, clearly.

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      I agree. Whether through ignorance or maliciousness, these people will turn you over to authorities to be camped or killed. Yeah, they’ll cry about it after, and tell themselves they’re doing the right thing.

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      This is the hyperbole I’m talking about. This is a metaphor. All metaphors break down when you start looking for discrepancies.

      Maybe I don’t see a problem with sitting down at a table with 9 Nazis because they’re friendly with me and I’m curious about why they believe they’re right (and maybe I can use the Socratic method to make them question their beliefs). That doesn’t make me a Nazi.

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              As I mentioned earlier, metaphors are pretty useless when you begin applying specifics.

              “Would you jump off a cliff if your friends did it?” I trust my friends would jump off a cliff for a good reason, maybe they were running from something, so yes.

              It was absolutely the wrong move to let Kayne back on the platform, and Elon is an asshole, for this, and basically everything else he has ever done.

              But epistemologically, we don’t have good reason to suspect Elon is ascribes to Nazi ideology. He could let Kayne back on for many other reasons; maybe he gets off on the attention (likely), maybe he just likes kanye (likely), maybe he’s a free speech absolutist (likely - unless it’s critical of him specifically (see jet tracker and parody accounts)).

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                right, but he did let the person who said nazi shit and went to go talk to a nazi (Nick Fuentes) back on the platform, he has overseen a massive increase in hate speech on the platform, he does comment in support of people demonizing queer identities, and he has used his power in a number of ways to silence his dissenters, so we can say that he demonstrably isn’t a free speech absolutist, he likes people who like nazis, and he is comfortable courting the favor of nazis. i think we can say that he fits the definition of a nazi sympathizer without much stretching at all.

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                  Maybe, the point is not to say that he isn’t, just that I require a high standard of proof to say that he is. I don’t know why everyone is getting their panties in a twist, I already know he’s a bad guy, I just don’t think he checks off the requirements to be a fascist or Nazi.

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                    There are no other insults anymore. You’re either a communist or a nazi. That’s it. There’s no more in between.

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            Lol, and Hitler self identified as a socialist, your point?? You calling yourself the thing doesn’t matter if you don’t act like the thing you’re calling yourself.

            And Musk is acting like a Nazi.

            As for how being polite to Nazis makes you (and Elon) a Nazi - you’re enablers, making you actively part of giving them power. You’re making them feel welcome when they shouldn’t be welcomed anywhere. You bolster their confidence and allow them a platform to spew their hate from, and they do. Clearly that hate isn’t aimed at you (and it definitely isn’t at Musk) so obviously you don’t give a shit, but some of us aren’t that fucking privileged.

            I’m sure you’re familiar with the paradox tolerance and are choosing to ignore it, but it talks exactly about people like you.
            And people like you look like this to the rest of us on the left.

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              The paradox of tolerance presupposes the people in question have political motivations in line with something like fascism.

              I simply don’t agree with the presupposition that Musk is this way inclined, so it’s a moot point.

              I don’t know why you think I’m enabling Nazis. What did I ever say to give you that impression?

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                I simply don’t agree with the presupposition that Musk is this way inclined, so it’s a moot point.

                If you enable nazis, you are a nazi.