- In short: Transgender woman Roxanne Tickle is suing social media platform Giggle for Girls after she was excluded from the women-only app.
- She is alleging unlawful discrimination on the basis of gender identity while the app’s founder has denied she is a woman.
- What’s next? The hearing is expected to run for four days.
A transgender woman who was excluded from a women-only social media app should be awarded damages because the app’s founder has persistently denied she is a woman, a Sydney court has heard.
In February 2021, Roxanne Tickle downloaded the Giggle for Girls social networking app, which was marketed as a platform exclusively for women to share experiences and speak freely.
Users needed to provide a selfie, which was assessed by artificial intelligence software to determine if they were a woman or man.
Ms Tickle’s photograph was determined to be a woman and she used the app’s full features until September that year, when the account became restricted because the AI decision was manually overridden.
I define a woman as a female who has a uterus, how should I define them?
I mean personally I figure some way that doesn’t exclude anyone who’s had a hysterectomy, but
So if a woman has a hysterectomy, she is no longer a woman? What is she?
That’s silly and you know it. She still had one to begin with. That’s like saying “if a dude cuts off his penis, he’s no longer a dude!”
Your definition. Has a uterus. You said nothing about a female who had a uterus.
And you haven’t defined female.
Oh brother…
It’s not my fault that your definition excluded women who had a uterus at one time but didn’t later.
How about women who have two X chromosomes but were born without a uterus? Not women?
Oh brother…let’s just agree to disagree…it’s obvious what side of the issue you’re on…
The side where scientific definitions of women include things like women with two X chromosomes but no uterus?
Women who have had a hysterectomy or were born without a uterus aren’t women? What are they, pray?
Do men ask for a catscan of a woman’s guts before paying them less or cat-calling them?
Biological gender: A Person with two X-Chromosons
Social Gender: Anyone who wants to be a woman
There’s no such thing as biological gender
What about someone who has Swyer Syndrome? What is their “biological gender?”
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/swyer-syndrome/
Male
So you are male even if you have a complete set of female sex organs and no male sex organs?
Literally the only way to determine ‘male’ or ‘female’ is a DNA test?
We’ve never been able to determine that before Flemming discovered chromosomes in the late 19th century?
That’s really weird, because the etymology of the word male traces it back to the 14th century.
Now I’m not math expert, but I’m pretty sure 14 comes before 18.
Biologically yes. At least according to my definition, but thats a different discussion.
Biologically, yes.
In the 19th century we assumed, that social and biological gender are the same and ignored, that basically every definition of „male“ or „female“ at the time had exceptions and wasn‘t applicable to everyone.
I am surprised it doesn‘t traces back even further. People believed in all kind of shit back then. Thats no argument.
That doesn‘t make sense in the slightest. By that logic the earth is flat, because the first models of a flat earth were published before the first models of a round earth.
Why do you get to unilaterally determine biological definitions when science is based on consensus?
Also, from where did you obtain your doctorate in genetics?
As you may have guessed I don‘t have a doctorate in genetics, just like you, I assume.
I don‘t get to determine biological definitions, but the definition of a biological sex, if such a thing exists, is still heavily debated in science. Therefore a consensus couldn‘t be reached so far. I just argued for the definition, that sounds the most logical to me. If you have other definitions or models I am open always open to learn.
Maybe so, but your definition has nothing to do with said debate, which has moved far beyond it in terms of the science of genetics.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07238-8
https://www.sapiens.org/biology/biological-science-rejects-the-sex-binary-and-thats-good-for-humanity/
https://www.medicaldaily.com/challenging-gender-identity-biologists-say-gender-expands-across-spectrum-rather-323956
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adi1188
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-science-of-biological-sex/
That’s a small sampling.
Incidentally, if you do base biological sex solely on chromosomes, birds have four sexes. What shall we call the other two?
Do you ever know your own chromosomes?
If you wasted money on a karyotype test you probably should have given that money to an unhoused person. 😕
Sorry, english isn‘t my native language
No, I don‘t know my chromosomes, because I don‘t really care, what chromosoms a person has. I only need to know, how to address them
I would ask then what purpose your definition serves if we all admit the application doesn’t matter. All it can do it justify bigotry to give the class (which none of us know what we are in) any credence.