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I am still waiting for a day of no frills EVs or just more no frills cars in general. Less crap in the way to repair and whatnot. But all I see passing car lots are bigger vehicles that look like they have so much stuff in them.
We need like a Kirkland brand EV. Unless I am an idiot and people don’t want stuff like that.
I love the tech in my car. The adaptive cruise control, heads up display, android auto, auto wipers, auto brights, lane keep assist, and blind spot detection in my Mazda are all used every single time I drive. Understand why people wouldn’t want some of those things but I love it.
The tech is great, but for a lot of people it’s not worth thousands of dollars – especially when you run the (potentially small) risk of paying twice if it breaks outside of warranty.
They do it to disguise the cost. When the first leaf came out the battery was the majority of the cost of the car… everything that was added on to make it a ‘car’ was cheap by comparison. So they added frills to get people to pay that much… and it worked.
Even now, when batteries are considerably cleaner, they’re a decent part of the cost - everyone wants a car that can do 300 miles… that dictates a certain size and weight (given current energy densities) and the companies have to build a car around that.
Effectively if you made a kirkland car with few features it’d cost almost as much as the current EV crop and nobody would buy one to the lack of features. About cheapest so far is the MG ZS, and that’s a £30k car. The £15-20k runabout that everyone wants just isn’t feasable without compromising range beyond what most would accept.
I bought my first ev 8 months ago. 13k miles already and no maintenance cost yet. Absolutely love it and find any excuses to drive it.
I drove a gas guzzling 350hp coupe before jumping to a EV. I had my doubts but I’m glad I made the switch. It’ll be awhile until we get a Costco like vehicle (my bet is Toyota or Hyundai will come out with something huge).
My commute is 70 miles a day and it’s a blast. I drive it on weekends just because it’s fun. I don’t have any frills on it, just a screen I look at once in a while.5
The wheels tend to fall off on basic vehicles ? I hope you’re joking.
Btw the BZ4X isn’t priced like a basic vehicle -$42k++ isn’t exactly entry level and the same price range as a Mustang Mach E, low end Tesla Model 3 or VW id3 with much better spec
No, sorry, that reply was intended for somebody else. Lemmy app struggles.
Mach E and Tesla aren’t “no frills”. I thought that was the request. At the moment, with tax credit, you can get a new Model 3 for 33k. Since Chevy killed the Bolt, I’m pretty sure that’s the cheapest EV on the market. But it wasn’t considered “no frills”
But car company profit margins! The last couple of years have kinda been great for a lot of car manufacturers, increasing prices, basically only having higher end models in stock (mostly because they generally take longer to move, which they began to en mass when the car market went to hell), and basically moving directly to evs moving forward, which are inherently more expensive (at least for now). Personally, I kind of like the idea of phevs like the 2nd Gen Chevy volt and the new prius, as they make the transition to electric easier and are generally cheaper to manufacture. Then after more charging stations are available, moving more and more to evs. Not trying to be a gas shill, but I just can’t see getting an ev right now because of the whole charging mess (the only mostly reliable stations I’ve heard of are the Tesla ones) and the cost.
I am still waiting for a day of no frills EVs or just more no frills cars in general. Less crap in the way to repair and whatnot. But all I see passing car lots are bigger vehicles that look like they have so much stuff in them.
We need like a Kirkland brand EV. Unless I am an idiot and people don’t want stuff like that.
I love the tech in my car. The adaptive cruise control, heads up display, android auto, auto wipers, auto brights, lane keep assist, and blind spot detection in my Mazda are all used every single time I drive. Understand why people wouldn’t want some of those things but I love it.
The tech is great, but for a lot of people it’s not worth thousands of dollars – especially when you run the (potentially small) risk of paying twice if it breaks outside of warranty.
They do it to disguise the cost. When the first leaf came out the battery was the majority of the cost of the car… everything that was added on to make it a ‘car’ was cheap by comparison. So they added frills to get people to pay that much… and it worked.
Even now, when batteries are considerably cleaner, they’re a decent part of the cost - everyone wants a car that can do 300 miles… that dictates a certain size and weight (given current energy densities) and the companies have to build a car around that.
Effectively if you made a kirkland car with few features it’d cost almost as much as the current EV crop and nobody would buy one to the lack of features. About cheapest so far is the MG ZS, and that’s a £30k car. The £15-20k runabout that everyone wants just isn’t feasable without compromising range beyond what most would accept.
I bought my first ev 8 months ago. 13k miles already and no maintenance cost yet. Absolutely love it and find any excuses to drive it.
I drove a gas guzzling 350hp coupe before jumping to a EV. I had my doubts but I’m glad I made the switch. It’ll be awhile until we get a Costco like vehicle (my bet is Toyota or Hyundai will come out with something huge).
My commute is 70 miles a day and it’s a blast. I drive it on weekends just because it’s fun. I don’t have any frills on it, just a screen I look at once in a while.5
What kind of EV?
Tesla model 3 performance. I know it gets shit on a lot for some reason but using it as a daily driver, it’s the best car I ever had.
M3 here, the autopilot features are incredible, highway driving just fades away.
Definitely worth it, can barely drive my suv now.
Toyotas EV is like that. ID4 is fairly basic. Chevy Bolt.
The BZ4X that was recalled because the wheels fall off ? Has that been rereleased yet ?
https://www.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/71277/2023-toyota-bz4x-disappointing-and-frustrating/
Apparently it has been rereleased. Still not good.
Basic vehicles tend to be like that, yes.
The wheels tend to fall off on basic vehicles ? I hope you’re joking.
Btw the BZ4X isn’t priced like a basic vehicle -$42k++ isn’t exactly entry level and the same price range as a Mustang Mach E, low end Tesla Model 3 or VW id3 with much better spec
https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/bz4x/
No, sorry, that reply was intended for somebody else. Lemmy app struggles.
Mach E and Tesla aren’t “no frills”. I thought that was the request. At the moment, with tax credit, you can get a new Model 3 for 33k. Since Chevy killed the Bolt, I’m pretty sure that’s the cheapest EV on the market. But it wasn’t considered “no frills”
The Bolt EV or the Leaf are just that.
Sadly I had to wait 10 months, my dealer got a single SV Plus for me
But car company profit margins! The last couple of years have kinda been great for a lot of car manufacturers, increasing prices, basically only having higher end models in stock (mostly because they generally take longer to move, which they began to en mass when the car market went to hell), and basically moving directly to evs moving forward, which are inherently more expensive (at least for now). Personally, I kind of like the idea of phevs like the 2nd Gen Chevy volt and the new prius, as they make the transition to electric easier and are generally cheaper to manufacture. Then after more charging stations are available, moving more and more to evs. Not trying to be a gas shill, but I just can’t see getting an ev right now because of the whole charging mess (the only mostly reliable stations I’ve heard of are the Tesla ones) and the cost.
I like this one that climbs Swiss mountains
https://peakevolution.ch/the-vehicle/