Also I know it’s the whole “you are not immune to propoganda” meme but look at the reactions to this bill online. If this isn’t proof enough that ByteDance has the tools and ability to push an agenda through their app idk what is, and the U.S. has already had enough problems with foreign interference. If we cannot trust ByteDance not to retaliate against the U.S. when profits are on the line, they probably shouldn’t be trusted with so much control on what our citizens are watching and hearing.
I don’t like this bill because it’s another bandaid solution to a systemic problem. Okay, so we ban Tik Tok, but that won’t stop Chinese and Russian actors from using other social media to do the same thing. If Tik Tok is a problem then so are Truth Social and Parler.
Except I don’t consider this to be “good.” There’s already rumors about people in the US buying Tik Tok to get around this ban. They’ll be doing the same bullshit but because it’s American bullshit it’s suddenly okay.
I don’t want Steve Mnuchin to have my data just like I don’t want the CCP to have it.
I don’t want Steve Mnuchin to have my data just like I don’t want the CCP to have it.
That’s not hard to get around though. It just costs money because most of everything you consume on the internet is free because sites make money through ads.
Use a VPN, Firefox, disposable emails and usernames, and you’re already 95% of the way there. None of it is magic, propaganda is generally pretty damn obvious, look at what you’re viewing through the lens of reality and not the bias of wherever you’re seeing it.
Vote Democrat and push to get Citizens United repealed. Until then he’s going to have more power that way anyway.
Even after that repeal, billionaires will have that influence regardless. Public opinion means squat when there’s a select minority voting against their constituents wishes anyway.
People say that like anyone knows where to push. Should I be looking for a lever or a button? Is it labeled?
billionaires will have that influence regardless
Which is exactly my problem with this: Yes, letting the CCP influence are elections is bad. But so is letting billionaires, but nobody in the government seems to give a damn.
From the outside looking in, I’m sorry but the opposite is evident. How fast older Americans are rushing to setup their own firewall, making one thing illegal in America is crazy.
We’re heading towards a world where just like China blocks Facebook, America has its own firewall to block tiktok. Two sides of the same coin.
Tiktok was the one platform that young Americans were able to organize politically, and the older Americans are going against everything America is supposed to stand for to stop that happening.
Tiktok was the one platform that young Americans were able to organize politically
True or not, this statement is hilarious. If the 10-second video trend platform getting blocked ruins your political machinations, they weren’t particularly stable to begin with.
China blocks a lot, lot more than just Facebook, so to try and conflate the two is disingenuous at best and trolling at worst. I’m also very skeptical of this idea that TikTok is the only platform where organization can occur. Maybe this pushes them to the Fediverse, or to more established methods like Telegram, but it’s not going to be this great silencing of young voices.
I’d also like to point out that many of the media sources that are picking up on this as a horrible ban are owned by people who like to sow division like Murdoch, or are affiliated with ByteDance. Checking for unbiased sources is pretty big on a topic like this, and I would absolutely ignore anything posted on TikTok at a minimum.
We are heading towards a world where Americans are prevented from accessing a social media that the rest of the world can access. This is undeniable. It’s disingenuous to suggest that this is not like the Chinese ban on foreign social media’s.
It’s worrying that people such as yourself are willing to take on the same playbook as a government you supposedly hate.
It’s worth noting I am not American, I will not be affected by this ban. I just see America slipping into a bad place. You aren’t immune to propaganda, and you aren’t questioning this stuff enough. Next time, it’ll be for something you don’t guttrally hate, and no one will be supporting you then.
Maybe I just don’t want a platform controlled by a country actively committing a genocide to be able to shape the narrative around another genocide? Maybe I don’t want to offer a country that kidnaps and retrains dissidents access to data they can use to target foreign dissidents? Maybe I think that a power that actively targets American institutions with cyberattacks on a regular basis shouldn’t also have access to the minds of millions of Americans via an algorithm that is seriously, dangerously addictive?
Like in what world are people seriously coming to the defense of China? What, we suddenly trust a dictatorship that openly and brazenly wants to destabilize Western nations? We trust that ByteDance is very independent and totally cool and doesn’t have to support the CCP at gunpoint at all?
I think people are massively understating the power that control over these platforms offers, and massively overstating the impact they have. Massive protests were successfully organized way before TikTok, they will continue to be organized after it is gone. This isn’t the herald of the end of social media in the U.S. If anything, perhaps a Fediverse alternative could spring up to fill the gap, which is by far the best platform for organizing.
The amount of sanity thats suddenly shown up in this thread is throwing me for a loop. Am i still on Lemmy here?!
More seriously, Chinese propaganda on here is all over the place in 3 forms,
The shit ur calling out: “ccp good, murica bad. Western media all propaganda, consume more state media from “leftist” regimes.”
The pre-deflection, “idk why ppl say russian/chinese propaganda is on lemmy, theres none to be found.” Quickly then backed up with another 1 or 2 echoing, “yeah, ive seen nothing of this nature here at all.”
And then the most difficult to convince the bystanders of, “if u think im parroting chinese/russian talking points, ur just a dirty neolib who hates true leftism!” Followed immediately by 15 more comments just underneath circlejerking over how leftist opinions are oppressed, all true leftists get called tankies but also tankies dont exist, and pretty much muddying the waters of what leftist theory is typically about (e.x. having a currency, market, and or billionaires is not antithetical to communism).
No one’s defending China. Everyone is calling out America’s hypocrisy and the slide into doing the same shit that China does. If anything, we’re trying to warn that America is becoming a China to fight China.
Also I know it’s the whole “you are not immune to propoganda” meme but look at the reactions to this bill online. If this isn’t proof enough that ByteDance has the tools and ability to push an agenda through their app idk what is, and the U.S. has already had enough problems with foreign interference. If we cannot trust ByteDance not to retaliate against the U.S. when profits are on the line, they probably shouldn’t be trusted with so much control on what our citizens are watching and hearing.
I don’t like this bill because it’s another bandaid solution to a systemic problem. Okay, so we ban Tik Tok, but that won’t stop Chinese and Russian actors from using other social media to do the same thing. If Tik Tok is a problem then so are Truth Social and Parler.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
Except I don’t consider this to be “good.” There’s already rumors about people in the US buying Tik Tok to get around this ban. They’ll be doing the same bullshit but because it’s American bullshit it’s suddenly okay.
I don’t want Steve Mnuchin to have my data just like I don’t want the CCP to have it.
That’s not hard to get around though. It just costs money because most of everything you consume on the internet is free because sites make money through ads.
Use a VPN, Firefox, disposable emails and usernames, and you’re already 95% of the way there. None of it is magic, propaganda is generally pretty damn obvious, look at what you’re viewing through the lens of reality and not the bias of wherever you’re seeing it.
Okay, how about this: I don’t want Steve Mnuchin to be able to influence elections just like I don’t want the CCP to be able to do it.
Vote Democrat and push to get Citizens United repealed. Until then he’s going to have more power that way anyway.
Even after that repeal, billionaires will have that influence regardless. Public opinion means squat when there’s a select minority voting against their constituents wishes anyway.
People say that like anyone knows where to push. Should I be looking for a lever or a button? Is it labeled?
Which is exactly my problem with this: Yes, letting the CCP influence are elections is bad. But so is letting billionaires, but nobody in the government seems to give a damn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Democrats_of_America
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factions_in_the_Democratic_Party_(United_States)#Progressives
https://progressives.house.gov/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factions_in_the_Republican_Party_(United_States)#Progressives
From the outside looking in, I’m sorry but the opposite is evident. How fast older Americans are rushing to setup their own firewall, making one thing illegal in America is crazy.
We’re heading towards a world where just like China blocks Facebook, America has its own firewall to block tiktok. Two sides of the same coin.
Tiktok was the one platform that young Americans were able to organize politically, and the older Americans are going against everything America is supposed to stand for to stop that happening.
True or not, this statement is hilarious. If the 10-second video trend platform getting blocked ruins your political machinations, they weren’t particularly stable to begin with.
China blocks a lot, lot more than just Facebook, so to try and conflate the two is disingenuous at best and trolling at worst. I’m also very skeptical of this idea that TikTok is the only platform where organization can occur. Maybe this pushes them to the Fediverse, or to more established methods like Telegram, but it’s not going to be this great silencing of young voices.
I’d also like to point out that many of the media sources that are picking up on this as a horrible ban are owned by people who like to sow division like Murdoch, or are affiliated with ByteDance. Checking for unbiased sources is pretty big on a topic like this, and I would absolutely ignore anything posted on TikTok at a minimum.
We are heading towards a world where Americans are prevented from accessing a social media that the rest of the world can access. This is undeniable. It’s disingenuous to suggest that this is not like the Chinese ban on foreign social media’s.
It’s worrying that people such as yourself are willing to take on the same playbook as a government you supposedly hate.
It’s worth noting I am not American, I will not be affected by this ban. I just see America slipping into a bad place. You aren’t immune to propaganda, and you aren’t questioning this stuff enough. Next time, it’ll be for something you don’t guttrally hate, and no one will be supporting you then.
Maybe I just don’t want a platform controlled by a country actively committing a genocide to be able to shape the narrative around another genocide? Maybe I don’t want to offer a country that kidnaps and retrains dissidents access to data they can use to target foreign dissidents? Maybe I think that a power that actively targets American institutions with cyberattacks on a regular basis shouldn’t also have access to the minds of millions of Americans via an algorithm that is seriously, dangerously addictive?
Like in what world are people seriously coming to the defense of China? What, we suddenly trust a dictatorship that openly and brazenly wants to destabilize Western nations? We trust that ByteDance is very independent and totally cool and doesn’t have to support the CCP at gunpoint at all?
I think people are massively understating the power that control over these platforms offers, and massively overstating the impact they have. Massive protests were successfully organized way before TikTok, they will continue to be organized after it is gone. This isn’t the herald of the end of social media in the U.S. If anything, perhaps a Fediverse alternative could spring up to fill the gap, which is by far the best platform for organizing.
The amount of sanity thats suddenly shown up in this thread is throwing me for a loop. Am i still on Lemmy here?!
More seriously, Chinese propaganda on here is all over the place in 3 forms,
The shit ur calling out: “ccp good, murica bad. Western media all propaganda, consume more state media from “leftist” regimes.”
The pre-deflection, “idk why ppl say russian/chinese propaganda is on lemmy, theres none to be found.” Quickly then backed up with another 1 or 2 echoing, “yeah, ive seen nothing of this nature here at all.”
And then the most difficult to convince the bystanders of, “if u think im parroting chinese/russian talking points, ur just a dirty neolib who hates true leftism!” Followed immediately by 15 more comments just underneath circlejerking over how leftist opinions are oppressed, all true leftists get called tankies but also tankies dont exist, and pretty much muddying the waters of what leftist theory is typically about (e.x. having a currency, market, and or billionaires is not antithetical to communism).
No one’s defending China. Everyone is calling out America’s hypocrisy and the slide into doing the same shit that China does. If anything, we’re trying to warn that America is becoming a China to fight China.