Tusk: Time of peace in EU is over, we live in pre-war times
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The time of peace in Europe is over, now everyone lives in pre-war times, and some friends of the EU live in the period of full-scale war. — Ukrinform.

“The times of peace are over, the post-war era is over. We live in new times - in the pre-war era; for some of our brothers, this is no longer even the pre-war era, but the period of full-scale war in its most cruel version,” Tusk said.

  • NoiseColor@startrek.websiteEnglish
    2·
    9 months ago

    How? They will deny it, there will be no marks. It will start gradually. Likely NATO nations wont support article 5, really a nuclear war, if they think there are only some small border skirmishes on an unimportant border.

    And that is it. This will bring divide and distrust into nato. That’s exactly what Russia wants. They don’t want to occupy Poland, they know that’s impossible.

    • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zipEnglish
      11·
      9 months ago

      Because it doesn’t matter if Russia admits it or not.

      If "unknown“ saboteurs are doing things aligned with Russian interests in areas of Russian interest it won’t take long until western intelligence determines that Russia is sending military and covert ops into a nato country‘s territory. That is a clear act of aggression.

      Simply denying that they are doing it isn’t worth shit behind the scenes.

      • NoiseColor@startrek.websiteEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        That by itself not. But doing it slowly by creating arming and supporting paramilitary groups can absolutely work. No doubt. Getting rid of NATO is their primary goal. Our at least reducing effectiveness.