Amidst California’s ongoing efforts to promote environmentally friendly transportation and the changing landscape of hydrogen fuel infrastructure, Toyota has announced a dramatic rebate of up to $40,000 off MSRP for the 2023 Toyota Mirai.
Amidst California’s ongoing efforts to promote environmentally friendly transportation and the changing landscape of hydrogen fuel infrastructure, Toyota has announced a dramatic rebate of up to $40,000 off MSRP for the 2023 Toyota Mirai.
They are not equal and will never ever be equal. I have no idea what Tesla is saying about it, I’m an EE and did the math (not that complicated), and Hydrogen will forever be less efficient and will pollute more, and there’s no way around it. You are trying to minimize the impact the Hydrogen infrastructure will have on everything, and are seriously misrepresenting what it implies. This is so horrible that I’m amazed it’s even a god damned discussion. Makes NO sense, pollutes more, releases WAY more carbon for the same amount of traveled distance all things considered, heavily complicates the car since not only does the car need an EV battery, it has to accommodate the extra cell, which will cost more of-course, pollute more, and do nothing for the average folk apart from taking power out of their hands, for nothing, and to pollute even more. This topic is insane, I’m amazed more engineers aren’t on top of debunking it.
Again, all of this is pure gibberish. Both fuel cells and batteries are electrochemical systems. Both have the same level of efficiency in the theoretical sense.
Like I said, you are repeating bullshit from BEV companies like Tesla. All of the anti-hydrogen stuff is just corporate propaganda and has zero basis in fact.
And what’s ironic is that it is copied from propaganda that originated from the oil industry. BEV companies repeating this stuff just means they are repeating the same anti-green rhetoric used against all green energy. Wind, solar, geothermal, etc., even BEVs themselves, when through the same crap. And you are doing the same just against fuel cells and hydrogen.
STOP FUCKING LYING DUDE!!! Just fucking stop You have an EXTRA conversion step, from hydrogen to electric, whereas battery doesn’t. You will have losses and you cannot avoid them. Even with zero losses (which is not possible in our reality) I’d still take an EV just to not have to deal with the extra cell bullshit + control I’d give to “special Hydrogen juice” sellers. Stop lying. Just stop, you are plainly lying with no damned shame.
And what is a battery, but an electrochemical system that converts chemical energy into electrical energy? A fuel cell works the same way.
The problem is that you have been fully brainwashed. Everything I said is true, and everything you said is false. You need to step back and realize who is lying to you.
No you are obviously lying, with no shame. I cannot believe this bullshit. How can you have the same efficiency for making hydrogen then converting to electric at car motor be equal as having electric in the first place delivered via cables? There’s no way you are not trolling.
Because it’s all electrochemistry? Have you even looked a fuel cell diagram? It is basically anodes and cathodes turning chemical energy into electricity. Just like a battery.
In fact, it arguably IS a battery. Hence why FCEVs are also EVs.
You cannot make hydrogen via electrolysis and come out equal on the other end. You just cannot. If you spend energy on making hydrogen, transport that hydrogen, have the cell convert it back to electric, you WILL have losses as compared to getting the electricity you used for electrolysis and transport it via cables to car. You cannot beat that for efficiency, and that’s without the whole hydrogen transport and manufacture infrastructure. That all adds up to losses and carbon released in the air. This level of misrepresenting reality is surreal
You cannot charge a battery and come out equal either. But losses can be minimized in both cases. Transportation via pipelines is also analogous to transporting electricity via wires. Both have losses, but it can be minimized.
Like I said, the idea is basically the same as battery swapping, except the battery in question is a chemical fluid that can be move around like it was electricity.
I’m not sure you understand how small the losses are to transport electricity from source to car battery. You cannot beat it for efficiency and you will pollute more just so others which are clearly NOT YOU get more money and power and control over people. That’s it. It’s about money and against our safety on this planet, since the hydrogen bullshit pollutes more. It’s anti-green by default and no amount of washing will change that.