Yeah, the situation is shit everywhere, for many different reasons. I guess I can’t blame the homeless folks themselves. Not sure if I could do any better in their position.
I work with unhoused folks on the regular - some of them are definitely on the street because of their actions. Some of them know it, some of them blame the world around them. Others are certainly victims of the system where they were dealt a shitty hand and played it as best they knew how. The only problem is that the best they knew how was not very good, likely because of a lack of support/parenting growing up. Oh, and the disabled folk. They just get straight up screwed by every system.
The really frustrating thing is how many people just straight up need a parent (we call them case workers but let’s be honest about the work they do) to get through life - a responsible adult who will guide them to the right choices and educate them on how to interact with society - but we simply can’t help everyone and even if we had the people power you can’t help someone who doesn’t see the problem or will not accept your help. The human in me says we need to reach and help these people, but the logician in me says there are diminishing returns on trying to help people who don’t or won’t change their behavior.
Jesus. Everyone has heir own problems. But counting other people’s misfortune as your hardship because you have to…see them, is pretty fucking disgusting.
I live in a major city. Every major city has one. And the much, much smaller city I used to live in, it was more pointed. But I don’t see it as a problem with them existing in my city. I see it as a problem of…these people are cast out by society. Seeing their misery as your annoyance is…fucking insane.
I’m not complaining because I have to see them suffering. I’m complaining because many of them are actively destroying public property. But of course you wouldn’t pay attention to that because you just want to be mad at something on internet. I don’t get what your problem is, but you’re a hypocritical and full of shit.
I don’t think he’s blaming individuals but the issue itself, caused by a broken society. It sucks seeing homeless people everywhere. It’s possible to acknowledge the problem while also feeling sorry for them.
That’s a funny way of showing it. ‘The city was nice until the homeless moved in.’
And when I pointed that out, the response wasn’t, “you misunderstood me, I’m upset at the societal flaws.” It was some flippant shit about “I can’t complain about my problems…” (their problem being…the homeless?) “if someone else has it worse than me, huh?”
That’s not someone raging against an unjust society. That’s someone saying homeless people are a blight on their once lovely city.
“You’ve probably never been to a city with a big homelessness problem.”
They literally just said to me, “I don’t have a problem with the homeless if they weren’t destroying public property.”
They have a problem with homeless people. Not homelessness.
My city was nice too until it was full of homeless people who destroy property, leave used needles everywhere, steal my bike, etc etc. I don’t even go downtown anymore because they are so aggressive with their begging.
I still blame society not the individuals themselves. Every second car is a Tesla but people are laying on the sidewalk, why is it like this? We have the power to unconditionally house every single person.
But you’re still demonizing these people. And generalizing. I can say, “I know it’s society that has created this false construct of race! But I just think black people need to have more respect because they leave their used needles everywhere and destroy property.”
Now. That’s not exactly 1:1, but I’m trying to make the point that it doesn’t matter if you say “I know it’s society” when you turn around and keep heaving blame on the victims of those societal ills.
Damn, I miss Portland. The downtown was nice, until the homeless people starts setting tents in the park.
I can’t imagine things are any better now with so many seeking asylum.
Yeah, the situation is shit everywhere, for many different reasons. I guess I can’t blame the homeless folks themselves. Not sure if I could do any better in their position.
Well said
I work with unhoused folks on the regular - some of them are definitely on the street because of their actions. Some of them know it, some of them blame the world around them. Others are certainly victims of the system where they were dealt a shitty hand and played it as best they knew how. The only problem is that the best they knew how was not very good, likely because of a lack of support/parenting growing up. Oh, and the disabled folk. They just get straight up screwed by every system.
The really frustrating thing is how many people just straight up need a parent (we call them case workers but let’s be honest about the work they do) to get through life - a responsible adult who will guide them to the right choices and educate them on how to interact with society - but we simply can’t help everyone and even if we had the people power you can’t help someone who doesn’t see the problem or will not accept your help. The human in me says we need to reach and help these people, but the logician in me says there are diminishing returns on trying to help people who don’t or won’t change their behavior.
Damn those people for…being poor and not having homes…
I guess I can’t complain because there’s always someone in worse position than me, huh…
Also, I take it you’ve never been to a city with homelessness issue.
Jesus. Everyone has heir own problems. But counting other people’s misfortune as your hardship because you have to…see them, is pretty fucking disgusting.
I live in a major city. Every major city has one. And the much, much smaller city I used to live in, it was more pointed. But I don’t see it as a problem with them existing in my city. I see it as a problem of…these people are cast out by society. Seeing their misery as your annoyance is…fucking insane.
I’m not complaining because I have to see them suffering. I’m complaining because many of them are actively destroying public property. But of course you wouldn’t pay attention to that because you just want to be mad at something on internet. I don’t get what your problem is, but you’re a hypocritical and full of shit.
I don’t think he’s blaming individuals but the issue itself, caused by a broken society. It sucks seeing homeless people everywhere. It’s possible to acknowledge the problem while also feeling sorry for them.
That’s a funny way of showing it. ‘The city was nice until the homeless moved in.’
And when I pointed that out, the response wasn’t, “you misunderstood me, I’m upset at the societal flaws.” It was some flippant shit about “I can’t complain about my problems…” (their problem being…the homeless?) “if someone else has it worse than me, huh?”
That’s not someone raging against an unjust society. That’s someone saying homeless people are a blight on their once lovely city.
“You’ve probably never been to a city with a big homelessness problem.”
They literally just said to me, “I don’t have a problem with the homeless if they weren’t destroying public property.”
They have a problem with homeless people. Not homelessness.
My city was nice too until it was full of homeless people who destroy property, leave used needles everywhere, steal my bike, etc etc. I don’t even go downtown anymore because they are so aggressive with their begging.
I still blame society not the individuals themselves. Every second car is a Tesla but people are laying on the sidewalk, why is it like this? We have the power to unconditionally house every single person.
But you’re still demonizing these people. And generalizing. I can say, “I know it’s society that has created this false construct of race! But I just think black people need to have more respect because they leave their used needles everywhere and destroy property.”
Now. That’s not exactly 1:1, but I’m trying to make the point that it doesn’t matter if you say “I know it’s society” when you turn around and keep heaving blame on the victims of those societal ills.
They demonize themselves. If I was homeless I would be jaded and trashing the place too.
Still a product of a failed society.
You talk like the mayor of my city, who definitely doesn’t let any homeless people sleep in the many spare rooms in her mansion.