Estonia announced that the country may be forced to close its border crossing points with Russia due to increased migration pressures, Estonian Police and Border Guard announced on Feb. 13.

“In recent weeks, Russia has deliberately directed to the Estonian border groups of foreigners lacking the legal right to enter the European Union,” the statement reads. “If these activities continue, we will be forced to close border crossing points to protect national security and public order, as has already been done in Finland due to migration pressure.”

The Estonian government has noted an influx of migrants and asylum seekers from Russia over recent months.

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    10 months ago

    There are innocent civilians trying to flee Putin’s regime. Civilians who want no part of his war. They should be allowed to seek asylum like any refugee.

    Yes they are, but Russia also uses migration as a pervert way of its hybrid warfare to pressure european countries and to create confusion and disarray .

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      True, but that’s not a reason to categorically turn away all refugees any more than some cars being stolen is a reason to stop all cars.

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        True, but that’s not a reason to categorically turn away all refugees

        I would argue on that. Maybe establish another way to get putin refugees into europe instead of getting your borders flooded. You also have to manage the income to make sure they get proper care in your country.

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          You also have to manage the income to make sure they get proper care in your country.

          Actually, it’s been shown that, contrary to xenophobic stereotypes (not calling you xenophobic, just pointing out that the stereotypes are), immigrants are overwhelmingly a net economic (and arguably cultural, but that’s admittedly quite subjective) positive to their destination country, refugees even moreso than others.

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            immigrants are overwhelmingly a net economic (and arguably cultural, but that’s admittedly quite subjective) positive to their destination country, refugees even moreso than others.

            of course they are. The problem I see is that every country has to take care that regugees are properly welcomed and taken care of. They have to get immediatly proper introduction into the country, the language, the common systems of the country, are able to work and contribute (with regards of their strengths and education) and so on, so that they get really fast properly inlcuded and not live for years in some shady, seperated “container homes”.

            And to assure this you have to regulate the income, because every country has limited ressources. We just need a proper european solution that every country is forced (looking at you hungary…) to take refugees and care for them properly based on some variables like the wealth of the country and so on.

            • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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              Yeah, you’re right that there’s a potentially steep initial cost. That’s outweighed by future benefits, though, and I’m pretty sure that both the EU and several NGOs have funds and projects specifically dedicated to partly pay for and ease that transition.

              It’s worth a try, at least, when the alternative is turning away refugees.

              • purplepuppy@links.hackliberty.org
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                It is a nonsense problem created to excuse clearly right-wing anti-migrant politics as left-wing, by saying that you care about people so much, that you can’t have them sleep on the street, so better to let them die in a war. Because at that point, that problem is somewhere else, in another country. Better then to see suffering on your own streets.

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                  You are clearly unfamiliar with Estonian winters. The days are below freezing, often in double digits. Anyone not sheltered will freeze to death. And where, pray tell, would we shelter them? Refugee shelters? Full of Ukrainians. Hotels are full of Ukrainians. There’s a Ukrainian family living across the street from me, because a call went out for private residences to house Ukrainian refugees and my neighbor took his family and moved in with his parents. There’s nowhere left.

                  But please, continue to tell me how we’re not doing enough by giving all the help we had to give to the first victims of this war.

                  • purplepuppy@links.hackliberty.org
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                    And in Russia it is nice tropical weather /s Are we talking about closing borders just for the winter, of for the summer as well? Are we talking about closing boreders for Russians that cant pay ticket to continue to other coutnries or to all russians? These are nonsense arguments where you pretend to make descision in their best intrerest. Are they too stupid to not be able to make a decision themselves to leave the country if they are under threat of certain death in a war. They would rather live in a tent then in a battlefield under same freezing conditions. How can someone in all honestly believe this clear lie?

            • purplepuppy@links.hackliberty.org
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              It is a weak argument to claim that people must stay in a region where they will be killed, until you are certain that you can allow 100% comfort in nice houses for them to live with. If they want to come to that country and sleep in a tent, rather then die in a war, why not let them in? I understand that right-wing people make racist arguments and are clear on that they don’t like migrants and hate other popluations, but when I hear this from people who consider themselves left-wing, they always make up some nonsense excuses how they are actually letting people die for their own sake.

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          You shouldn’t close your borders until you have an alternative. Human lives are a first priority. Your income will be fine, EU is the richest region in the World. Most migrants can get a job as well and they are negligable addition to population of Europe that has more then a billion citizens. These are weak excuses for what is clearly classic anti-migrant racism.

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          Oh look, another liberal racist. Of course if ukrainins can be regugees doesnt mean russians arent. We are talking about civilan lives here, just because they are from Russia, doesn’t mean they are not “real refugees” from war. Also combining word of nationality (russian) and ideology (nazzi) like that is clearly racist and you must admit is far-right view. Which is ironic that far-right opinions are so often disguessed as fight against nazzism. Even more ironic that Russian government used this same excuse for a war.

    • purplepuppy@links.hackliberty.org
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      Yes, it is better to let them die in a war then let Russia create pressure and confusion. /s What are your motivations for policies? Human lives or just winning a war against people you don’t like at any cost?