It is nearly impossible for the Democratic Party to replace Biden, and the president has given no indication that he intends to step aside — nor is anyone asking him to.
How are they mutually exclusive arguments? The only alternative would be to assert the reverse - that any failure of a progressive candidate is the fault of centrists; but as centrists are the majority of the electorate, that’s a pretty silly argument.
We’re in the minority here. A significant minority, but a minority. Our choices are to be part of a coalition, or hand victory to fascists.
not really. the people who vote for democrat candidates can be broadly lumped into two camps. The proggresive and the centrist. in the second link, the only ‘real’ centrists are the ‘democratic mainstays’. ‘Outsider left’ represents people like me who aren’t democrats, but vote progressive (and we’re progressive). the Establishment Liberals aren’t as progressive as outsider or the progressive left, coming in between the mainstays and the progressive left, but are still fairly progressive.
in any case, the outsider left together with the progressive left make up 16% of the general public, equal to the mainstay democrats. establishment liberals represent another 13%.
in terms of “the left”, and if we focus only on the liberal side of things, 16% of people who vote blue are outsiders, 12% are progressive- so 28% are progressives, and 28% mainstays. 23% are establishment liberals.
if you exclude all of the very-progressive outsiders (aka VOTERS) then you’re correct, and the very-proggessive side is outnumbers. but if we’re talking about votes in general, proggressives are at least as large a voting block as centrists, if not, larger.
and they at least equal the dem mainstay. I assume the “establishment Liberals” are all on a spectrum- some are more centrist while others are more progressive; it’s why I mentioned them separately from the other three and only lumped the two together.
The point I’m making is that it’s largely the mainstays saying “Vote blue no matter who”, but then they’re the ones not voting blue on progressive candidates as much as they accuse proggresives of not voting blue on centrist candidates.
I assume the “establishment Liberals” are all on a spectrum- some are more centrist while others are more progressive; it’s why I mentioned them separately from the other three and only lumped the two together.
I don’t know man, I feel like Establishment Liberals are just “Joe Biden without the GOP cockblocking him”, which, while good, is something I would still very much count as much more moderate than progressives.
How are they mutually exclusive arguments? The only alternative would be to assert the reverse - that any failure of a progressive candidate is the fault of centrists; but as centrists are the majority of the electorate, that’s a pretty silly argument.
We’re in the minority here. A significant minority, but a minority. Our choices are to be part of a coalition, or hand victory to fascists.
not really. the people who vote for democrat candidates can be broadly lumped into two camps. The proggresive and the centrist. in the second link, the only ‘real’ centrists are the ‘democratic mainstays’. ‘Outsider left’ represents people like me who aren’t democrats, but vote progressive (and we’re progressive). the Establishment Liberals aren’t as progressive as outsider or the progressive left, coming in between the mainstays and the progressive left, but are still fairly progressive.
in any case, the outsider left together with the progressive left make up 16% of the general public, equal to the mainstay democrats. establishment liberals represent another 13%.
in terms of “the left”, and if we focus only on the liberal side of things, 16% of people who vote blue are outsiders, 12% are progressive- so 28% are progressives, and 28% mainstays. 23% are establishment liberals.
if you exclude all of the very-progressive outsiders (aka VOTERS) then you’re correct, and the very-proggessive side is outnumbers. but if we’re talking about votes in general, proggressives are at least as large a voting block as centrists, if not, larger.
I’d consider only the Progressives and Outsider Left as in our corner on this one.
and they at least equal the dem mainstay. I assume the “establishment Liberals” are all on a spectrum- some are more centrist while others are more progressive; it’s why I mentioned them separately from the other three and only lumped the two together.
The point I’m making is that it’s largely the mainstays saying “Vote blue no matter who”, but then they’re the ones not voting blue on progressive candidates as much as they accuse proggresives of not voting blue on centrist candidates.
I don’t know man, I feel like Establishment Liberals are just “Joe Biden without the GOP cockblocking him”, which, while good, is something I would still very much count as much more moderate than progressives.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/establishment-liberals/