• 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    I get it. Yeah, those are awful and I’m glad Israel outlawed such conduct.

    So I’m 2004 we’ve got one bootlicker MP assaulting his single teenage ward by tying him to the jeep. Horrible judgment.

    In 2022 two prisoners were left in the front of some police cars while their family members started firing at the police, and they forced the mother to go inside the house to try and persuade the shooters to surrender (and retrieve a robot). The three were unharmed.

    In 2016 the shop owner was arrested and then the two soldiers walked behind him through a crowd of rock throwers instead of one in front, one behind, which is how a prisoner should be transported with two escorts.

    That’s five people and your last article, which regardless of the website contains insufficient information to fact check the “reports” and is therefore not credible.

    I’m talking about Human shields like in on October 18 in Northern Gaza when Hamas sent out a massive social media campaign falsely telling Palestinians to remain in their homes. Also when Hamas does things like, ya know, build a massive tunnel network to do terrorism underneath the homes of 3,600 people.

    I’ll grant you your loose definition of “human shields” for the five people you’ve described and where there is five j assume there is a hundred. It’s been outlawed. I wonder if anyone did a follow up to these stories to see if the police/soldiers involved after the change in law were held accountable. Still, Im talking about something materially different.

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      5 months ago

      First of all, about that woman:

      You said:

      In 2022 two prisoners were left in the front of some police cars while their family members started firing at the police, and they forced the mother to go inside the house to try and persuade the shooters to surrender (and retrieve a robot). The three were unharmed.

      1. Here is some of her testimony:

        I was terrified, especially when some bullets fired by the Palestinians hit the jeep, maybe five bullets. The shooting intensified, and I ducked because I was afraid of being hit, but the officer in the jeep shouted at me to stand up and raise my head.

      2. You also claim that they were prisoners. Instead, they were Muhammad (the father) and his sister ‘Ahd (aged 16).

      3. They threatened them with demolishing their house if they don’t cooperate as human shields:

        I heard loud blasts and later realized they were the missiles the Border Police fired at our house. One of the officers pressed a phone to my ear and told me I had a call. There was an ISA agent on the line. He wanted me to persuade Mahmoud to turn himself in and threatened that otherwise, they’d bring the house down on top of him.

      You are deliberately rephrasing it to make it sound less awful but it’s not working…



      I’ll grant you your loose definition of “human shields” for the five people you’ve described and where there is five j assume there is a hundred.

      ROFL

      Palestinian’s and human rights org’s definition of Israel using human shields: IDF soldiers grab them and tie them to a truck or force them to be in a cross-fire or approach items that may be bombs or go into the homes of terrorists, totally fine!

      Israel’s definition of Hamas using human shields: literally a Gazan just making food in their home while their daughter plays in the next room… by simply existing in their own house.

      These people are five examples of survivors who lived in horror, human rights organizations tried to document their plight. These are classic examples of the use of human shields (unlike ‘proximate shielding’ which is actually not a textbook example of human shield use). Classic examples and you still can’t see it.

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      So I’m 2004 we’ve got one bootlicker MP assaulting his single teenage ward by tying him to the jeep. Horrible judgment.

      So a confirmed use of human shields.

      In 2022 two prisoners were left in the front of some police cars while their family members started firing at the police, and they forced the mother to go inside the house to try and persuade the shooters to surrender (and retrieve a robot). The three were unharmed.

      So a confirmed use of human shields.

      In 2016 the shop owner was arrested and then the two soldiers walked behind him through a crowd of rock throwers instead of one in front, one behind, which is how a prisoner should be transported with two escorts.

      So a confirmed use of human shields.

      It’s not “a loose case of human shield use” because you rephrase it into “walked behind him through a crowd of rock throwers”…
      By this logic, murder is just “some knife that found itself thrown into a man’s chest”. Fucking hell, dude… the lengths you go to to make the IDF look okay… I’m starting to wonder, is this psychological? Seriously, like not trying to make you look bad or anything, but… you’re driving totally rational people here insane with your circular logic.

      I’m sorry. I can’t help you. Back to no talking. Bye!