Islamic fundamentalists, of which Hamas is included, along with its patron states, Iran and Qatar. I’m exaggerating about the stoning for rhetorical purposes, but not by much.
You claimed that they shoot women for learning math despite there actually being women in Hamas.
You then claimed that you just exaggerated, but only to make the connection between radical Islamism and Hamas.
Then when the evidence you showed doesn’t show Hamas stoning anyone nor adopting the kind of Islam we’d expect of ISIS or the Taliban, you jump to a totally different example with a sassy “Anyhow!”
The point you’re making about Hamas is fine: they are awful dictators, they treat people who oppose them like that. But what I’d like to know is why you are trying to generalize and paint Hamas in a different picture. Also, playing on Islamophobic tropes… interesting, why? They already suck enough, you just have to say real examples directly. And on top of that, almost no one on lemmy will like Hamas or support them in any way, yet in every discussion with you, it starts to be clear that you simply converge to Hamas even though we all dislike them just as much as you do. But that wasn’t good enough maybe?
The point you’re making about Hamas is fine: they are awful dictators, they treat people who oppose them like that. *But what I’d like to know is why you are trying to generalize and paint Hamas in a different picture.
Please excuse my ignorance if I said anything you feel was inaccurate. Certainly not my intention to be wrong about anything. Hamas’s ideological origins did not arise with the founding of Hamas™ in 1987.
It’s an ideology of Sunni Islamism, which is itself an ideology of Sharia law and Islamic separtism, nationalism, supremacy, and violent oppression of anyone that some some unelected cleric or imamate unilaterally says are “the infidels.” And that would largely be fine with me if it wasn’t part of an international coalition of far right authoritarian theocracies bent on one missiom: bleeding out the west using any means necessary including indiscriminate attacks on civilians, suicide bombings, until it can get its hands on nuclear weapons and “destroy the West for good.” It includes virtually all militant Islamists and arise from pan-Islamism.
It is an ideological alliance that can be fairly lumped together for some purposes. It’s not just a total coincidence that this coalition constitutes most of countries supporting South Africa’s application to the UN, many of whom are state sponsors of terrorism, including support for Hamas, as well as other terrorist groups. As I understand it, ISIS and Hamas have virtually identical ideologies with the exception being as to who should be the head of the snake, Iran or the Caliphate. Both organizations are indistinguishable as to their willingings to target civilians, ya know, terrorism, and their desire to bring death to all infidels. Both groups are adherents of jihad.
I’m not saying they are the same, I’m saying they are ideological allies to a point, and that point is well within the bounds of intolerance to western civilization, once they are acting like imperialists I mean.
That’s not to say that imperialism is only okay when the West does it. Rather, it’s to say that it took all humanity including the West thousands of years to come up with government of the people and by the people rather than by some king or some imaginary magicical sky man, and damn it all to hell if decent people fail to stop us from falling back into the dark ages.
Who stones women to death for math? 😬
Islamic fundamentalists, of which Hamas is included, along with its patron states, Iran and Qatar. I’m exaggerating about the stoning for rhetorical purposes, but not by much.
You know who I’m talking about, right around this region here: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_map_showing_countries_where_public_stoning_is_judicial_or_extrajudicial_form_of_punishment.SVG#mw-jump-to-license
Funny how Gaza is not on that map lol
Well the resolution is not fine enough to see. Any place that implements Islamic law though,
Anyhow, Gaza punishes their capital thought crimes with firing squad. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_Gaza_Strip
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning_in_Islam
You claimed that they shoot women for learning math despite there actually being women in Hamas.
You then claimed that you just exaggerated, but only to make the connection between radical Islamism and Hamas.
Then when the evidence you showed doesn’t show Hamas stoning anyone nor adopting the kind of Islam we’d expect of ISIS or the Taliban, you jump to a totally different example with a sassy “Anyhow!”
The point you’re making about Hamas is fine: they are awful dictators, they treat people who oppose them like that. But what I’d like to know is why you are trying to generalize and paint Hamas in a different picture. Also, playing on Islamophobic tropes… interesting, why? They already suck enough, you just have to say real examples directly. And on top of that, almost no one on lemmy will like Hamas or support them in any way, yet in every discussion with you, it starts to be clear that you simply converge to Hamas even though we all dislike them just as much as you do. But that wasn’t good enough maybe?
I appreciate you.
Please excuse my ignorance if I said anything you feel was inaccurate. Certainly not my intention to be wrong about anything. Hamas’s ideological origins did not arise with the founding of Hamas™ in 1987.
It’s an ideology of Sunni Islamism, which is itself an ideology of Sharia law and Islamic separtism, nationalism, supremacy, and violent oppression of anyone that some some unelected cleric or imamate unilaterally says are “the infidels.” And that would largely be fine with me if it wasn’t part of an international coalition of far right authoritarian theocracies bent on one missiom: bleeding out the west using any means necessary including indiscriminate attacks on civilians, suicide bombings, until it can get its hands on nuclear weapons and “destroy the West for good.” It includes virtually all militant Islamists and arise from pan-Islamism.
It is an ideological alliance that can be fairly lumped together for some purposes. It’s not just a total coincidence that this coalition constitutes most of countries supporting South Africa’s application to the UN, many of whom are state sponsors of terrorism, including support for Hamas, as well as other terrorist groups. As I understand it, ISIS and Hamas have virtually identical ideologies with the exception being as to who should be the head of the snake, Iran or the Caliphate. Both organizations are indistinguishable as to their willingings to target civilians, ya know, terrorism, and their desire to bring death to all infidels. Both groups are adherents of jihad.
I’m not saying they are the same, I’m saying they are ideological allies to a point, and that point is well within the bounds of intolerance to western civilization, once they are acting like imperialists I mean.
That’s not to say that imperialism is only okay when the West does it. Rather, it’s to say that it took all humanity including the West thousands of years to come up with government of the people and by the people rather than by some king or some imaginary magicical sky man, and damn it all to hell if decent people fail to stop us from falling back into the dark ages.
Thanks, wish I could say the same about you.
You can!