I’m really disappointed in your inability to confront your own biases. You set definitions, I meet them, and then you just move the goal posts.
How you call Bob at the hardware store “the ruling class” is BEYOND me. 99% of men don’t have any sort of ruling authority. So you’ve created a term that holds men to a level of responsibility they don’t have, and then you use that to disqualify the actuality of misandry in society… Fuuuck…
Thank you for taking the time to lay out your biases for me. You’ve really helped me breakdown this shit, and I appreciate that. Sorry for any anxiety I’ve given you, but seriously… you need to expand your perspective outside of feminist rhetoric.
I never called Bob at the hardware store ruling class 🙃 but the ruling class is patriarchal and composed of men. The ruling class benefits from men being treated as superior to women. They are the apex of social power structures. There is no social power structure that disadvantages specifically them, there is no social power structure against men as a class.
You still don’t understand what misogyny is or how it is different from any social pressure against men. I’m sorry guy, you and everyone man you know did not get sexually harassed by men on the street when you were 12. Every woman experiences misogyny. Every woman suffers misogynistic violence. It affects all of us as a class of people at every level across society. Time for you to ask yourself what is preventing you from listening to the experiences of women who are suffering differently from you. I have expressed concern for men’s issues throughout my comments, just because there is no power structure creating those issues systemically and through institutions does not mean that they’re not important. Its false equivalence over and over again.
It’s not my job to convince you of the way women are suffering and how that suffering is condoned and perpetuated by society. It’s your job to educate yourself on the way the marginalized suffer. With that said, I’m done answering questions and engaging with you. I’ve more than explained intersectionality to you already.
I never called Bob at the hardware store ruling class 🙃 but the ruling class is patriarchal and composed of men.
Okay… So previously in our discussion you dismissed systemic misandry, because “it’s not a power structure”.
If Bob isn’t considered apart of the ruling class, then the oppression of Bob, and other men by the ruling class IS a power structure, and fits your definition of systemic misandry.
And by all means you don’t have to engage with me. The only thing I’m really expecting you to teach me is the biases in your rhetoric, so no pressure.
Nah like… I get what you’re saying, you just don’t seem to want to acknowledge the obvious bias and contradictions.
Basically from what you’re saying is the ONLY way you’d acknowledge systemic misandry is if women were in charge… But the fucking gender of the person imposing themselves is irrelevant to the status of victimization. Misandry is about persecution of men, not about who’s persecuting, and when you see systemic instances of misandry, how do you not acknowledge that? How do you just ignore your own biases?
There are no systemic instances of misandry, because the ruling class is not discriminated against in any way and they are men. Men suffer, but not from an institution that commits acts of violence and discrimination against men as a class. Last 3 words are key there.
Men suffer, but not from an institution that commits acts of violence and discrimination against men as a class.
I’ve given you examples already. Like god damn that’s literally the point of the OP meme. And the class that men are subject to is aristocracy. Happy? There, we have a ruling class. Now can we acknowledge systemic misandry?
I’m really disappointed in your inability to confront your own biases. You set definitions, I meet them, and then you just move the goal posts.
How you call Bob at the hardware store “the ruling class” is BEYOND me. 99% of men don’t have any sort of ruling authority. So you’ve created a term that holds men to a level of responsibility they don’t have, and then you use that to disqualify the actuality of misandry in society… Fuuuck…
Thank you for taking the time to lay out your biases for me. You’ve really helped me breakdown this shit, and I appreciate that. Sorry for any anxiety I’ve given you, but seriously… you need to expand your perspective outside of feminist rhetoric.
I never called Bob at the hardware store ruling class 🙃 but the ruling class is patriarchal and composed of men. The ruling class benefits from men being treated as superior to women. They are the apex of social power structures. There is no social power structure that disadvantages specifically them, there is no social power structure against men as a class.
You still don’t understand what misogyny is or how it is different from any social pressure against men. I’m sorry guy, you and everyone man you know did not get sexually harassed by men on the street when you were 12. Every woman experiences misogyny. Every woman suffers misogynistic violence. It affects all of us as a class of people at every level across society. Time for you to ask yourself what is preventing you from listening to the experiences of women who are suffering differently from you. I have expressed concern for men’s issues throughout my comments, just because there is no power structure creating those issues systemically and through institutions does not mean that they’re not important. Its false equivalence over and over again.
It’s not my job to convince you of the way women are suffering and how that suffering is condoned and perpetuated by society. It’s your job to educate yourself on the way the marginalized suffer. With that said, I’m done answering questions and engaging with you. I’ve more than explained intersectionality to you already.
Okay… So previously in our discussion you dismissed systemic misandry, because “it’s not a power structure”.
If Bob isn’t considered apart of the ruling class, then the oppression of Bob, and other men by the ruling class IS a power structure, and fits your definition of systemic misandry.
And by all means you don’t have to engage with me. The only thing I’m really expecting you to teach me is the biases in your rhetoric, so no pressure.
You still aren’t understanding what a power structure is.
Nah like… I get what you’re saying, you just don’t seem to want to acknowledge the obvious bias and contradictions.
Basically from what you’re saying is the ONLY way you’d acknowledge systemic misandry is if women were in charge… But the fucking gender of the person imposing themselves is irrelevant to the status of victimization. Misandry is about persecution of men, not about who’s persecuting, and when you see systemic instances of misandry, how do you not acknowledge that? How do you just ignore your own biases?
There are no systemic instances of misandry, because the ruling class is not discriminated against in any way and they are men. Men suffer, but not from an institution that commits acts of violence and discrimination against men as a class. Last 3 words are key there.
I’ve given you examples already. Like god damn that’s literally the point of the OP meme. And the class that men are subject to is aristocracy. Happy? There, we have a ruling class. Now can we acknowledge systemic misandry?