• Cogency@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Tbh I wish to agree with you even though you have downvotes, the empire phase of America needs to end. Whatever Russia is trying to accomplish in the Ukraine needs to end.

    Russia should choose social democracy because it works and so should we. Russia as it stands can not be allowed to succeed, and America as it stands should embrace a revolutionary change that allows us to meet in the middle with social democracy.

    The truth is we can afford to do both though, fight with Ukraine and take care of our people. There is more than enough wealth to give the Ukraine the chance to self determination and do the litany of things we’ve neglected to further capitalism. The pity is that we don’t demand both.

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      6 months ago

      The thing that people are not understanding is that this isn’t just Russia vs Ukraine war. This is war against the West. It didn’t start with Ukraine and if Russia succeeds it won’t end in Ukraine. Russia tries to get back to superpower status and Ukraine is an important piece in restoring old USSR regions.

      The crazy thing is that what needs to be done was even outlined in a book written by Alexander Dugin and until Ukraine invasion everything was going really well (even ahead of schedule, even seemingly unrelated thing like BrExit was part of it, note that book was published in 1997): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics#Content

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        6 months ago

        I didn’t read a single thing from that that I didn’t already get, what I’m arguing is that American control, is not what is best for the planet and arguing against dugin is just our own version of espousing similarly flawed beliefs.

        this part especially seems to point the flaws in his argument, but so are the same flaws found in our own march to go to war with Russia.

        “The battle for the world rule of Russians” has not ended and Russia remains “the staging area of a new anti-bourgeois, anti-American revolution”. The Eurasian Empire will be constructed “on the fundamental principle of the common enemy: the rejection of Atlanticism, strategic control of the U.S., and the refusal to allow liberal values to dominate us.”"

        In the march to war, the call to be cautious and settle things peacefully is always rejected. But I’m not arguing for that I want the Ukraine to have self determination, I just don’t think we should think we get to do it because it serves American interests, we should do it because it is the right thing to do. And we should take care of Healthcare, education, housing, ubi, etc.