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For a reveal stream they really didn’t reveal much of anything. Let’s hope we get more info about the season mechanic like PoE does leading up to launch. Excited to get back into diablo!
So this looks dope, for sure. I wish there were more news about when to expect the expansions. This game is so much better than Diablo III in most ways excluding one: It’s a Diablo game without Diablo, which has left a pretty sour taste in my mouth after finishing the epilogue. The seasons will be fun, I’m sure - but I really just want the rest of the story that I feel like should have been part of the base game.
Yeah, after playing it I was like…this game should have been called Lilith, but of course the brand recognition wouldn’t be there. At least put a subtitle like Daughter of Hatred or something. I mean come on, give her some credit at least LOL!
Personally, I actually liked Lilith’s more complicated take on the big bad. I was actually rooting for her against
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Inarius and thought her plan of getting rid of Mephisto was better than what we eventually did, which was trapping yet another Prime Evil in a soulstone…again.
But hey, Wanderer, you made your own choice!
…I really hated how they rubbed into my face the fact that I couldn’t choose anything but that :DReally wish they let players choose to back Lilith - her plan to fight prime evils was the only one that didn’t lead to a never ending wheel.
Hey you’ve got this option to end an eternal conflict of which you’re smack middle of and getting fucked by both sides; but we’ll go ahead and stick to the eternal conflict.
There could’ve been so much follow up to that choice too: fighting angels how ant to stop you from getting too powerful, fighting other primes and their armies as they fear we kill them, building protections into the world to separate it from everything, and more.
If you chose to back Lilith, the eternal conflict would’ve ended…with her winning and everyone else losing. I’m not sure why there are so many Lilith supporters, Guulrahn made it pretty clear she doesn’t care about humans and is just using them as a tool for her own power.
Everyone was already constantly losing against the Prime Evils anyways. I think she does care somewhat about humanity in general or at least striving for what she thinks an elevated humanity might be, but she isn’t against doing whatever is necessary to achieve her goals. Her ends definitely did not justify the means. Still I think, given a choice, siding with Lilith still would have been better than what ended up getting in the end, which was
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Neyrelle disappearing and doing god knows what with Mephisto. She’s probably already being slowly corrupted.
All I am saying is that at least Lilith was hinting at a different path for humanity, whereas Mephisto has always just been straight up evil. Like…given those choices, who would you rather pick?
Man…Lemmy really needs inline spoilers.
Now imagine Mephisto outside of the soulstone but with another major demon’s power on top of his.
That’s what Lilith would have been after consuming him. The Neyrelle dumb decision is a separate issue.
It’s the other way around. Imagine Lilith with another major demon’s power on top of hers. Lilith being the driver is better than Mephisto IMHO. Mephisto has no qualms saying what he plans for humanity. I think Lilith, having had a major hand in creating Sanctuary and humanity in the first place, would have had at least some overlapping interests that would have worked in our favor.
It’s like picking between one person who says they’re definitely going to kill you and another person who says they’ll maybe kill you if the need arises.
Guulrahn made it pretty clear she doesn’t care about humans and is just using them as a tool for her own power.
Uhh, I thought the point was both Inarius and Lilith didn’t care one bit about humans except for as a tool
I’d agree that was the overall point but the choice isn’t between Inarius and Lilith, we can choose neither because they’re both awful.
She actually had made clear the opposite; she wanted the humans to regain their strength, back to the levels of the original Nephalem, that both heaven and hell feared.
Multiple times she references how so much was stolen from her children and how she would return them back to their power.
It was Inarius that gave up on the humans and regretted making them; using them only as a tool to get what he wanted: a way back into heaven.
Oh Inarius was definitely just using humans.
But I don’t really trust a word that Lilith says. I think she’s manipulative as a core trait of her character which was really well written just from how many players she has convinced.
She’s kind of a murderous demon monster though. Lilith in charge of sanctuary does not seem better than demons occasionally trying to invade sanctuary.
Lilith got way too much of a minor role to name the game after her. She’s a minor villain at best and already dead after a short campaign where we once again make weird ass stupid decisions. I wish we could’ve joined her, instead of her becoming another cartoon villain that makes people mindless and insane for “reasons”. Even her becoming a prime evil would’ve been a way cooler move. But now they fired that bullet and it’s never going to be able to come back. Real shame for such an iconic figure in the history of the game lore.
I agree. During the whole section
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where she traps you in your mind, I was like…no, I don’t want to say no to you. Let’s break the fucking cycle and actually DEAL with the prime evils instead of just doing the same old soulstone trick. But alas, it’s not that type of game.
Only way I can justify it: Mephisto is a prime evil. Lilith a lesser evil. Both clearly already have influence over the entire party. Mephisto manipulating the hero into imprisoning him has to be part of his game plan.
Killing Lilith and imprisoning Mephisto is really the only logical choice. You were really going to side with a Lesser Evil, the daughter of Hatred, and think it was going to be all dandy candy?
I have no reason why they would let a child walk around with a prime evil soulstone though lmao.
Lilith isn’t a lesser evil. And yes, I’d side with the one power that actually wants to fight for Sanctuary instead of being just caught between the two bullies of the eternal conflict, which already brought humankind to almost extinction. But besides her motives, I just would’ve found it so much more exciting to have a new force like this in the game / lore, one that isn’t just your stereotypical angel or demon.
Why we let Neyrelle go off like that? I don’t know. One of the many stupid things in the story. I also don’t know why Lorath told Inarius about the soul stone and even showed it to him. Or why we told Elias about his lacking immortality instead of just dealing the death blow for a last time. It’s all not quite as bad as the bullshit from D3 but I am really not a fan of what they did with the story. With the MMO aspects they could’ve even introduced factions. Let people join Lilith (could’ve been an introduction of the Lilin in D4), or Inarius, and have their forces mangle it out in team based pvp zones, or helltide like open world events with lots of NPC enemies that maybe even take over ownership of the settlements. Both factions could’ve been used to also unlock specific classes, like some holy warrior class for the cathedral of light and something else for the followers of Lilith. But I guess we rather do stupid weird seasonal paid FOMO events.
I need to learn Lemmy’s markdown syntax. But I agree. I really liked Lilith as a character and her motivations were solid.
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But then you win the fight, go back and the epilogue lasts all of a couple of minutes before the game loop starts over when you hop to World Tier III. It felt unsatisfying not to have a Prime Evil to contend with, and if I’m honest, the Butcher is a harder boss than Lilith each time you run into him.
Motivations yes, how she went about it no. Having the few remaining humans do a sort of battle royal is not going to make them stronger, it will just cull most of them. And I absolutely hated how she just ended up making most people insane. Like when the villagers in the beginning started to have that dumb smile while clapping the priest I just cringed. Real cartoon villain vibes, which is such a shame for such an important character as Lilith, which is now gone forever since she didn’t became a prime evil.
Maybe not gone forever…
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Donan did mention that outside of trapping her within the stone, no matter what they did she’d eventually return. I can’t imagine her soul escaped Hell after we merc her.
I doubt it, but we’ll see, or not, I guess. I did like her visual design & voice actress though, at least when she did her calm and motherly talks. Maybe IF she returns, and the forces of hell come for Sanctuary proper, then we get another shot at joining forces. But again, I doubt it.
Maybe I missed it in the lore/story so apologies if that’s the case. But what timeline is this game set in? Is it possible this is the first time they locked Mephisto in the soul stone? Like a D2 prequel?
It’s a direct sequel to D3 - Cain is dead, Lorath says something off-hand about Diablo’s recent fall.
Oh, that’s right. I remember now Meshif talking about it as well. Thanks for the reminder
No, it’s decades after Malthael decimated like half of humankind, which is one of the reasons why humans are struggling so much more now.
It occurs 50 years post Diablo III, unfortunately.
Nah they reference the world stone and invasion of the mountain (Ariat?) way too much.
Very hyped. I hope they keep the lore and fresh stories coming out. D4 has been the game that finally sold me on the entire world of Diablo.
Also hope this season brings some fun and interesting new ways to play at the end game. I’m starting to feel a bit burned out on nightmares and helltides.
Are there existing plans to expand the end game? My arpg friends have suggested around launch it was lacking a bit, so I’ve put off grabbing d4 despite tons of time in earlier titles & poe.
The upcoming season is adding a new “gem” type very similar to Diablo 3 legendary gems that will (presumably) result in more robust endgame builds. They also mentioned a new boss being added, though I’m not sure what level/World Tier it will be at.
We don’t know much about future plans yet. But from their marketing, it really sounds like they’re counting on seasons to provide that replay-ability factor in the short term.
D4 is still a solid game. My gaming time is limited these days, so once I got accustomed to the gameplay loop at WT3, I did start to feel a bit burned out. But it’s a game that I know I will always come back to and already feel like I’ve gotten my moneys worth
I loved playing D4 with all my guys, hopping in and out together, it finally got me to really appreciate ARPGs after bouncing off D3 and grim dawn in the past.
Buuuuut, level scaling mobs and utterly boring resource management got me in the end ‘uhhh neeed MOOORE spppiirit says the Druid’.
So I moved onto PoE and now I am exiled for good 🤣
Agreed about level scaling, the game balance is whack. I’ve gone back to playing PD2, it’s so much more enjoyable and fast-paced.
Yeah, I get real tired of minions being so tanky…and the elite mobs, just ugh. Either have them do massive damage and require dodging, and let us do equal good damage…just not what they are now (massive boring tanks).
I wanted to get into PoE, but seeing how endgame builds play really soured it for me. Playing through the story using a variety of skills and dodging the attacks in the chaotic boss fights was a lot of fun, then I learned that an optimal build spams one skill and kills bosses before they do anything, and if you’re not clearing that fast, you won’t be making any meaningful progress because drop rates are tuned around the assumption that you are.
Actually in poe you have a much higher chance of getting GG gear. Much higher than Diablo.
There’s so many things you can do to target farm, and everything you do gives you more currency so you’re never wasting your time, even if you are slower than someone else.
In Diablo there’s just no chance you’re getting a shaco. And you can easily play 10 hours and get nothing except some gold which is useful for… refilling some stats?
Have you checked out the builds on icyveins? The synergies on some of them, like the earthen bulwark build for example, are kinda crazy. Definitely more diversity than I would expect of a single ARPG class but then I got more into the game as I heard D4 going more MMO-like so that could just be me.
I have yeah, it that’s kind of the problem - it’s icyveins or bust unfortunately. I did go pulverize bear which made it better, but I had the same experience with d2r.
I guess I just hate limits, I like in poe….if I want my toon to do something specific (such as fast cast speed) I can spec into that and work on it. Where as Diablo….I might get 3 passive points 😄
Chalk and cheese though; D4 did good with getting the masses to enjoy a venerable entry into the genre.
I am really hoping for a bit more love in the resource department. My sorcerer feels so slow-paced. It’s like cast a couple of times, wait for a mama recharge, rinse and repeat.
Yeah druid is exactly the same, it’s just so boring to go from my palpatine style Witch in Poe, to a slow, asthmatic doofus in D4 lol
Stormclaw druid doesn’t use resources. Been a game changer for me. Was pulverize and it was slowwwww. This thing is so much fun.
Meanwhile whirlwind barbarian basically not using resource generator skills
I wonder if they will reveal more hearts and uniques as we get closer, or have us discover them when the patch comes out. I want to know how much they will actually change builds.
Man, I haven’t even beat the game once yet. Guess I gotta hurry. Assuming I’ll have to make a new character for each season?
Yeah, everyone starts at level 1 for new seasons. Map reveals and altar of lilith finds are permanent though. And you could technically just keep playing in the eternal realm if you really wanted to.
So hyped that they made the map open. I created a sorc to mess around and it’s such a hassle the unexplored map.
What do you mean by “map open”?
I think they mean the lifted fog of war. The patch on the 18th is supposed to lift the fog of war for any new (incl. Seasonal) toons, but you have to log in on the toon with the most map progress for it to populate across.
Currently creating an alt only shows main towns on the map with everything else under the fog as undiscovered.
Am I the only one who cannot stand these types of animations? Comes off as cheap and lazy to me. This might come of as a bit harsh but it’s literally a slide show with some basic animations.
Hype
That is looking pretty cool. Cant wait.
I was just thinking about how much we don’t know about season 1…and I guess we still don’t know much of anything.
That looks cool! Can’t wait for the season to start
Looks great! Excited to see how much hearts change builds… and how broken they will be.
Meh.
So the premium battle pass will include actual armor sets; wasn’t it advertised as transmogs only?
They did explicitly say that premium armour rewards were transmog only, and that not paying for the battle pass won’t put you at a disadvantage gear wise.
Hoping it is; wording seems a bit vague
They were very, very clear in the livestream that they are only transmogs.
Explicitly clear and stated it multiple times
Where did you get that info from? Didn’t see any details about that in the video. But as far as I’ve been able to see online, they haven’t changed anything.
Premium battlepass will only be cosmetic armor sets (those are the transmogs. It isn’t exclusive battle pass gear), horses, titles and emblems.
I think they also said emotes.
Yes but it’s identical regardless of class outside of body type changes.
