There can be some comorbidity / overlap, but they’re different things.
ASD - typical presentation includes difficulty interpreting facial expressions / vocal tone / figurative speech, difficulty with theory of mind or modelling the experience of others, difficulty with social protocols or cues, inflexible, literal interpretation of rules, sensory issues, overload issues, single-subject fixation, spatial perception issues.
It’s possible (and quite common) to have both; it’s also quite possible to have the same behaviours for different reasons. For instance, ASD people may fidget/etc as stimming to manage sensory overload, whereas ADHD people may fidget out of excess energy. ASD people may act in socially-inappropriate ways because they don’t understand (or care about) the relevant social cues; ADHD people may act in socially-inappropriate ways because they’ve been distracted out of the context and find it difficult to moderate their interaction. An ASD person might stay up all night reading about some topic because they’re kind of obsessed with it; an ADHD person might stay up all night reading about it because hyperfocus kicked in and holy crap it’s 8am where did the night go?
ASD people I’ve known have described it as their magic telepathy helmet being broken and trying to make sense of utterly irrational-seeming other people; I’m ADHD and would describe it as my mental whiteboard being broken and living in a soft rain of post-it notes with every random observation written on them, whether relevant or not.
So, if I’m an adult who has never been diagnosed with either/anything, but I do all of the things you listed for ADHD and some of the autism ones… Should I be evaluated?
As thebannanaking has said, for sure seek out help if you are struggling. I think that is the big indicator as to whether they will diagnose you. The symptoms have to be prevalent in your life. Personally if it helps put it in perspective, I’ve kind struggled most my life, a whole lot of fail if i am going to be honest. no clue why, never even thought about adhd until my boss literally sat me down after I almost got fired like 6 months ago and listed out a whole crapton of what I later found out where adhd symptoms. I’ve been struggling real bad lately with not just work but pretty much all areas of my life and so now I’m trying to navigate our crappy Healthcare system and get help. Better late than never I guess. So really what I’m trying to say is if you are having problems please seek help. Don’t be like me and not deal with it for way to many years.
As someone with ASD, the difference it makes when you know your sensory issues and are able to get accommodation for it is insane.
I just started a new job where I am open about it and my officemates love that I love the “dark” spot away from the windows. Now they don’t have to sit there. For me, the peace and quiet of that place means my stress level is so low for the first time in my life that I struggle to go to sleep at night.
My “go to sleep” indicator has been mental stress, but my job allows my to hyperfocus, which is recharging my mental batteries. I’m left alone to do my thing unless there is a meeting that’s been announced way before or I reach out to others.
When I get home from work, I may be physically tired, but mentally I could just go on, because the basic level of stress that was at like 70% all my life is so much lower now. Now I have to learn how to recognize when I physically need to sleep - and fight my brain on it, because it just wants to play…
Long story short: my diagnosis for ASD changed my life, for the better. But there are many factors to consider (state of healthcare is a big one, accessibility of therapy, possible legal ramifications in your country, social acceptance, but alse how much it affects you).
For me, ASD helped me make sense of what was happening and allowed me to pushback when others were calling me lazy. But what helped me was mostly therapy work, and if you have a good therapist, you can just work on those issues separately. Imho you can get the help you need for ASD without a diagnosis, but in my situation the diagnosis was a massive help.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply, I really appreciate your perspective!
Many of the signs/symptoms of ADHD and ASD are things I struggle with if not daily, then weekly. But I know that there’s a lot of crossover between the two, so it can be difficult to decipher, even for professionals at times. Especially when you throw in other mental health and learning difficulties, lol. So just knowing what’s actually causing what would be helpful in dealing with it.
I wouldn’t care to try meds at this time, but I think it would help with how I’m perceived in certain situations (like accomodations at work).
I can’t speak for the ASD side, particularly, but the relevant question for ADHD is whether it’s impacting your quality of life.
Are your studies suffering because you just can’t make yourself hit the books? Are you constantly fucking up at work and putting your career at risk? Is sensory overload a major impediment to coping with existence? Are you concerningly unreliable with parenting stuff? Does grocery shopping take three hours because you need a handful of separate trips for all the things you forgot each time?
If it’s crossing over into disability territory, if life is just not supposed to be this hard, definitely get evaluated.
If not, if it’s just quirky and occasionally frustrating - ehh. It can be affirming and a definite relief to have a label to put on things, but it probably won’t make a huge difference day-to-day. If you’re in the US where medical bills are a major thing, take that into account.
This is exactly the response I was hoping for, thank you so much, getting a little emotional reading both of them as, yes, there is overlap, but both present in me strongly. It gives me some hope that if I can ever get sorted for some medication for ADHD (if diagnosed), it may help my quality of life (I need things to look forward to in life or everything is a depressing hell).
I’m ADHD and I definitely fidget to manage my internal stimulus overload. If there isn’t enough external stimulus happening my internal “noise” can become unmanageable and I end up fidgetting/stimming to help anchor me.
There can be some comorbidity / overlap, but they’re different things.
ASD - typical presentation includes difficulty interpreting facial expressions / vocal tone / figurative speech, difficulty with theory of mind or modelling the experience of others, difficulty with social protocols or cues, inflexible, literal interpretation of rules, sensory issues, overload issues, single-subject fixation, spatial perception issues.
ADHD - typical presentation includes difficulty ignoring distractions, dificulty remaining focused on non-stimulating tasks, poor executive function, poor time management, poor task management, poor emotional regulation, forgetfulness, impulsivity, rejection-sensitive dysphoria, sensory/overload issues, fidgeting.
It’s possible (and quite common) to have both; it’s also quite possible to have the same behaviours for different reasons. For instance, ASD people may fidget/etc as stimming to manage sensory overload, whereas ADHD people may fidget out of excess energy. ASD people may act in socially-inappropriate ways because they don’t understand (or care about) the relevant social cues; ADHD people may act in socially-inappropriate ways because they’ve been distracted out of the context and find it difficult to moderate their interaction. An ASD person might stay up all night reading about some topic because they’re kind of obsessed with it; an ADHD person might stay up all night reading about it because hyperfocus kicked in and holy crap it’s 8am where did the night go?
ASD people I’ve known have described it as their magic telepathy helmet being broken and trying to make sense of utterly irrational-seeming other people; I’m ADHD and would describe it as my mental whiteboard being broken and living in a soft rain of post-it notes with every random observation written on them, whether relevant or not.
So, if I’m an adult who has never been diagnosed with either/anything, but I do all of the things you listed for ADHD and some of the autism ones… Should I be evaluated?
As thebannanaking has said, for sure seek out help if you are struggling. I think that is the big indicator as to whether they will diagnose you. The symptoms have to be prevalent in your life. Personally if it helps put it in perspective, I’ve kind struggled most my life, a whole lot of fail if i am going to be honest. no clue why, never even thought about adhd until my boss literally sat me down after I almost got fired like 6 months ago and listed out a whole crapton of what I later found out where adhd symptoms. I’ve been struggling real bad lately with not just work but pretty much all areas of my life and so now I’m trying to navigate our crappy Healthcare system and get help. Better late than never I guess. So really what I’m trying to say is if you are having problems please seek help. Don’t be like me and not deal with it for way to many years.
It definitely impacts my life. Reading that comment was like reading about my day to day.
As someone with ASD, the difference it makes when you know your sensory issues and are able to get accommodation for it is insane.
I just started a new job where I am open about it and my officemates love that I love the “dark” spot away from the windows. Now they don’t have to sit there. For me, the peace and quiet of that place means my stress level is so low for the first time in my life that I struggle to go to sleep at night.
My “go to sleep” indicator has been mental stress, but my job allows my to hyperfocus, which is recharging my mental batteries. I’m left alone to do my thing unless there is a meeting that’s been announced way before or I reach out to others.
When I get home from work, I may be physically tired, but mentally I could just go on, because the basic level of stress that was at like 70% all my life is so much lower now. Now I have to learn how to recognize when I physically need to sleep - and fight my brain on it, because it just wants to play…
Long story short: my diagnosis for ASD changed my life, for the better. But there are many factors to consider (state of healthcare is a big one, accessibility of therapy, possible legal ramifications in your country, social acceptance, but alse how much it affects you).
For me, ASD helped me make sense of what was happening and allowed me to pushback when others were calling me lazy. But what helped me was mostly therapy work, and if you have a good therapist, you can just work on those issues separately. Imho you can get the help you need for ASD without a diagnosis, but in my situation the diagnosis was a massive help.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply, I really appreciate your perspective!
Many of the signs/symptoms of ADHD and ASD are things I struggle with if not daily, then weekly. But I know that there’s a lot of crossover between the two, so it can be difficult to decipher, even for professionals at times. Especially when you throw in other mental health and learning difficulties, lol. So just knowing what’s actually causing what would be helpful in dealing with it.
I wouldn’t care to try meds at this time, but I think it would help with how I’m perceived in certain situations (like accomodations at work).
I can’t speak for the ASD side, particularly, but the relevant question for ADHD is whether it’s impacting your quality of life.
Are your studies suffering because you just can’t make yourself hit the books? Are you constantly fucking up at work and putting your career at risk? Is sensory overload a major impediment to coping with existence? Are you concerningly unreliable with parenting stuff? Does grocery shopping take three hours because you need a handful of separate trips for all the things you forgot each time?
If it’s crossing over into disability territory, if life is just not supposed to be this hard, definitely get evaluated.
If not, if it’s just quirky and occasionally frustrating - ehh. It can be affirming and a definite relief to have a label to put on things, but it probably won’t make a huge difference day-to-day. If you’re in the US where medical bills are a major thing, take that into account.
Yeah, some/most are daily struggles. I took the two tests recommended by another user in the comments here and I scored pretty high.
This is exactly the response I was hoping for, thank you so much, getting a little emotional reading both of them as, yes, there is overlap, but both present in me strongly. It gives me some hope that if I can ever get sorted for some medication for ADHD (if diagnosed), it may help my quality of life (I need things to look forward to in life or everything is a depressing hell).
I’m ADHD and I definitely fidget to manage my internal stimulus overload. If there isn’t enough external stimulus happening my internal “noise” can become unmanageable and I end up fidgetting/stimming to help anchor me.