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Cruyff, Pele, Neuer, Yashin are all wayyy more infuential than Messi. Messi’s biggest influence was the short period of the false 9 in world football, apart from that, he really didnt change the way the game is played.
Arteta evidently disagrees.
He’s decent this Messi lad, but he’s not exactly Bill McCracken is he?
Best player - Messi Most influential - Cruyff
Best player: Pelé, Most influential: Pelé
Messi challenged his throne, and that’s legendary by itself
Pele is undoubtedly one of the greatest but he’s more of a pioneer because he did everything before anyone else, but for me, Messi edges it. As for influence, Cruyff literally changed the way football is played, so I think it’s fair to call him the most influential.
We can’t compare players due to era differences, but we can compare careers - Imagine watching Messi get his third World Cup title now instead of his first. That’s why Pelé will edge it for me until someone has a career like Messi’s and Pelé’s club career coupled with total dominance at the national team level too.
Why is he talking about Messi?
Messi might be the GOAT, but I don’t think he has influenced much because no one can replicate what he has been doing.
Ronaldo on the other hand has. I don’t wanna get into detail, but definitely around work ethic, taking care of your body etc And then you can definitely look at his positioning, how he is getting rid of defenders etc and take notes
I think Ronaldo can be also credited with popularizing the style of wingers pinching in and becoming strikers/center forwards at the ends of crosses from the attacking wingbacks rather than making crosses themselves - puts more pressure on wingers to finish.
If you’re talking about who was the most influential figure then it surely has to be Pele right? Countries stopped fighting just to see him play. Cruyff too.
Influential does not mean the best football player.
Get Messi’s meat out your mouth Arteta
omg why do these boring ass quotes always get upvoted on here.
Its MessiFC subreddit here
Best probably, but there are more influential players. Ronaldinho and Ronaldo (R9) are more influential in terms of entertainment and inspiring people. Pele or Cruyff are probably #1 in how they changed the game.
Absolutely false. Messi being the greatest is very reasonable, he is for me. But the most influential is by far Pelé for how he globalized and pioneered the game, or Cruyff if you want to look at tactics and managing.
Cheers Geoff!
Disagree, Messi is GOATy, but he isn’t the most influential player in the history of football. That is because there wasn’t a way of playing in that role prior to Messi and post Messi. Maradona did set the same precedent for the small attackers many years before.
R9 is more influential than Messi for example. There was a prior to R9 era where strikers played in one manner. And after R9 era where strikers played differently.
Ibra for example is more influential for the tall/big striker position than Messi for his position. Before Ibra the big CF were asked to keep the ball, fight the defenders and be good at the box. After Ibra, these strikers are asked to do way more, drop deep, progress the ball, set the tempo, be more technically able and so on. Haaland is asked to hold himself to a higher standard because of standards Ibra set to that category for example.
Baresi is also more influential for the CB position, considering his height.
The use of the word “INFLUENTIAL” is used in a wrong manner.
why is this so downvoted? He’s the goat but absolutely not the most influential, they’re two completely different things.
It’s hard to define what “influential” means in this context. I kind of agree that Messi didn’t do anything not seen before, he just did a lot of already existing things, better than anyone and at an incredible speed, during 10+ years.
That said, one could argue that Messi was very influential in their rivals. All their rival coaches spent Messi’s career trying to figure out how to stop him and there was a lot of evolution in tactics around that, with some like Simeone and Mourinho basically building their whole tactics around the premise of stopping Messi first, then everything else.
About your first paragraph, i 100% agree. I think he was extremely influential towards coaches on how to defend him. Even IF, i think that we have seen similar patterns before with Maradona or R9. Something that you mentioned.
But, THE MOST ONE?! Hard pass for me genuinely.
sadly for most r/soccer users all logic is lost when messi is mentioned
Dude, saying this as someone who loves him and think that he rightfully deserved the Golden Ball. But this statment is absolute bonkers. In every way you look at this, he wasn’t THE MOST influential player.
Yeah clearly you guys are in the intelligent group of this sub. Don’t look down on us too hard big brains.
First of all, not talking with absolutes makes you more big brain.
it’s crazy how every time a coach or figure praises him or ronaldo you have fanboys in the comment trying to downvote everyone into oblivion who make a good argument/case
Nuh uh messi better
In conclusion, Cheers Geoff
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Must be so easy being a sports journalist, just ask everyone about Messi/Ronaldo all the time, and get easy clicks.
I was just asking myself how these posts still make it to the top of this sub each time. Does anyone still find it interesting who people think is better of the two?
I used to work for a sports media page and half of my job was just refreshing this subreddit to source quotes about Messi and Ronaldo to post on Twitter/Instagram. Was always the top-performing content by a mile.
100% sportsbible
They got relatively huge from reposting this subreddit
I fucking knew it
You’re internet royalty mate.
it’s hardly a secret at this point with how many articles reference reddit and twitter comments
I even got £50 for a photo of mine the Daily Mail stole off Reddit
Was it paid out automatically or did you have to hound them for it?
The latter, they didn’t ask me for permission, just stole it
Lmao, idek if youre baiting or if its actually true
used to work for a sports newspaper and same.
Hey guys I know a lawyer let’s band together to file a class action and get back our hard-earned pay!
That’s also a method for getting upvotes here - find a news story where they asked some schmuck about who the GOAT is, post it here and get like 3K upvotes guaranteed.
Every nonsensical Pep quote gets like 2k upvotes. On the most recent one, nearly all the comments were “Why is this upvoted? So tired of hearing from him”
There’s a load of casuals who just want to read the same crap again and again and again, they don’t necessarily comment but they do upvote.
Can’t wait to exchange all my upvotes for cash one day.
You missed out on the opportunity to really sell your account when they got rid of awards.
Genuinely insane this shite is allowed on r/soccer considering what gets removed
Disculpame si te rompí la cola, así es el periodismo champagne