Gotta kill the good vibes around the club somehow
imagine caring about other peoples genitals
Based
I mean, it’s technically the truth.
Classy fan that
Public information/education banners at football matches, whatever next!
lol i still remember in match against Gladbach few seasons ago there’s a Leverkusen fan doing Nazi salute caught on camera and i’ve never seen faster cut in my life
Based
dope
They are speaking absolute facts. There are only 2 genders
Factually right but a weird thing to bring into the stadium.
I mean they are not wrong
lovely
What is it about anti-trans people that they are so fucking obsessed with trans people? Like, they make hating trans people a core tenant of their entire character.
Hating gay people isn’t as popular anymore so the right has moved on to the next group they hate.
30 years ago they made banners like this about gay people instead. 30 years before that it was about feminism. The right will always find some group they hate and claim is destroying society.
And before that it was blacks, but they didn’t use signs, they just killed black people and set signal fires.
Jews,Blacks,women,gays, Trans peopleTrans people will become this generation’s minority scapegoat
lol dumb
They actually came for the trans kids first!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings#The_burnings_start
Yeah im old but 20 years ago this hate was reserved for gay people. And boy was it unhinged. Like getting two guys to marry would end the republic (the us).
Seems they have to go for ever smaller groups as well, in a 100 years all that’s left for the right to hate will be some dude named Thomas.
100% how I see it.
There needs to be an “other”.
Gay people aren’t any longer socially acceptable so they go after something else.
Women -> black people -> gay people -> transgender people -> ?
Shit’s dumb.
Gay people aren’t any longer socially acceptable
Yes they are my dude
He phrased it poorly. He meant it’s no longer acceptable to attack gay people.
The “to go after” was I thought rather implied. Could have been more clear I guess.
Yeah okay, but have you seen Thomas
Fuck Thomas, all my homies hate Thomas
I’m Irish that’s like half my family this sucks
Tbh I agree fuck you thomas
“We’d never say a word if fucking Thomas did his Thomas shit at home, away from our (hwite) children”
Fuck.
can’t wait to hate robot people in 30 years
When in reality it’s them
This is about the time they’ll claim Hitler was a leftist because the party name had “Socialist” in it.
Oh they‘re way ahead of you. Politicians of the German party AfD have claimed that the Nazis weren’t fascists, but in fact socialists
They have a point, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea are having their election next week
No they don’t
He was also vegetarian. Leftist as fuck.
Kinda telling that they’re taking Hitler’s word as fact tbh
Always the part that drives me crazy. It’s so up front and obvious the history of moving on to the next thing to hate, with all the same bigoted arguments, fearmongering, and faulty logic.
I get not everybody is going to have the best education in history (unfortunately), but if you’ve lived 20 years on this earth you’ve seen how they shift targets and just use the same tactics, while pretending that they were always fine with what came before (woman/minorities/gays/etc).
They think about genitals more than any gynecologist
Some people just have way too much free time.
Exactly. It shouldn’t affect their life whatsoever.
*tenet. But yeah, absolutely true.
Fuck. It tried to auto correct me to Tennant, cause I was talking about Dr Who recently. Had to fight it for tenant, but felt it could also be wrong 😂
You could say ‘tenant’ since trans people clearly live rent-free in their heads.
Wouldn’t a tenant be paying rent?
so you’re saying the transes are now squatters trying to get free welfare, and disrespecting those of us who pay rent to live in people’s heads?!!
I think it’s more that those people with trans people living in their heads invite them in, it’s their choice trans people are living there rent free. So they’re more like guests I suppose. Rather polite of the bigots to host trans people rent free in their heads all year round I think
Saw a stat that right wing people engage with more trans related content on their social media feed than all other political leanings combined, even more than trans people themselves.
That explains a lot, I’d also hate it if it got shoved into my timeline lol.
Reminds me of Seoul Pride. The LGBTQ people are just there to network, socialize, maybe find someone they find cute, enjoy the after party but every years tens of thousands of fundamentalist christians come to protest pride and they got drum lines, and dancing performances, a choir comes out singing, they got mass produced picket signs, they bring out the trucks with speakers and are blaring music…like they’re WAY WAY WAY more into pride than we are LMAO.
It’s at the point that the first media source to report the location and time for pride is the Christian Times so when it comes around the time they announce pride we start checking the fundy christian news for updates.
Yep that’s the one!
I’m guessing left wing people talk more about right wing than right wing people do.
Rage bait is a hell of a drug.
That’s to be expected, though. People engage more with what annoys or angers them. I bet you’d see that left-leaning people engage more with Trump content.
I feel like it’s human nature to find an enemy by picking something that makes them different.
- someone from another tribe
- someone thinking jesus was a man and not a prophet
- someone wearing a red hat and not a blue one
- someone being a woman and not a man
- someone liking men and not women
- someone being from the east of a city and someone from the west
- someone being trans instead of male/female
- etc.
Eventually it’ll be someone whose wearing cyber implants vs those who don’t ala Deus Ex. It doesn’t make it right but it just seems that we as a race need an enemy at all times.
In 30+ years in a Western country I never met any transgender people in my entire life, but on this website it seems like 1 in fourth people are (and 75% people claim to be neurodivergent).
Never had a problem with them online, never threaten my way of life or wish my kids or myself any harm.
It’s seem like a US politics theatrical bullshit, once again, exported to Europe.
I encountered the first trans man in transition when my co-worker started the treatment. Dude got the thickest beard in my team like within a year and his buzz cut started balding. As a man with thin whiskers and nothing more I can tell you i got a bit envious. It really opened my eyes on how it’s impossible to point out LGBT people in your day to day life.
The two traits are highly correlated.
Thanks for the article, I will read it.
I really dislike this line of thinking.Think it’s more that it has been shown to be dangerous for trans people to just exist as they are in public, whereas online they prob feel safer expressing their true self.
If you’ve gone 30+ years without ever meeting a trans person, maybe it’s cuz trans people have never felt safe being open about it with you?
Maybe they don’t feel safe around me, but I’ve always been open minded and a curious person. I don’t think I give those kind of vibes.
And I agree that it is dangerous to just exist for trans people,and I understand, like for neurodivergent people, reddit is a much safer place than real life.
No animosity here.
But like someone said in this thread, maybe I met some and didn’t even notice. Those conversations never came up.
Lmao of course, immediately blame someone because they never knowingly met a trans person.
Trans people still make up a pretty small percentage of the population
Eh, it’s likely you haven’t noticed tbh. A lot of trans people just look like any regular cisgendered person, it’s not always visually noticeable.
And that’s exactly the reason why I don’t understand why people make such a big deal of it
Social conservatives always need to have an out-grouo to attack
Yeah I’m sure that’s the case, and I haven’t notice and they didn’t talk about it if they’re weren’t comfortable to bring it up. All is good, never had a problem.
It’s hilarious how they’re like “WE ALWAYS CAN TELL” and then they’ll call a fully cisgender female with a square jaw a man.
You likely have and didn’t know it.
EXACTLY.
For that matter there’s a pretty good chance you’ve been around someone who didn’t know that THEY were typical gender non-conforming because of things like androgen insensitivity syndrome and the like.
Yeah that’s for sure, but seing that some people crying about “The Trans Pedophile agenda” and never ever once it came up in my life, seems weird. And I grew Up in the Paris banlieue and now in the Lyon area, so no small villages either.
There IS no trans pedophile agenda, it’s right wingers inventing something to be mad about. They USED to be mad about “the blacks” or “the gays” but lost those battles in the court of public opinion.
Have to hate SOMEONE, and people were getting tired of Muslim hate, I guess.
Yeah we’re basically on the same page,I was mocking people saying that kind of stuff.
Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
It may be an age thing, I’m in my early 30’s, but I’ve met quite a few at varying stages of transition and in some cases I’ve not found out until way after the fact that their gender didn’t match up with their sex. Unlike what the anti-trans lot like to claim, they don’t shove it down people’s throats or make anywhere near as big a deal of it as the tabloids and Twitter like to believe.
The bigots will have you believe that trans people wear shirts that say “I’m teams and you must love me!” and are just itching to sign your kids up to HRT. In truth, they, like everyone else, just want to live their lives in peace.
The bigots will have you believe that trans people wear shirts that say “I’m teams and you must love me!”
honestly, Microsoft do make people feel like this sometimes. Especially New Teams, all my homies hate New Teams
WOKE LGBTQ PEOPLE PUTTING HRT IN THOSE HELLOWEEN CANDIES! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!
-Edith, Scunthorpe, 63
You’ve met trans people before, you just didn’t realise
Yeah sorry, I should’ve put “openly/out trans people”.
It’s seem like a US politics theatrical bullshit
What makes you think this is a mindset that began in the US? Where do you think the US got most of its cultural values?
Oh yeah I just remembered the EU talking non-stop about this before the 2016 US election, my fault.
The soft power the USA got politically affect every countries in the whole wide fucking world, and especially culturally in Western countries.
You might want to read up on the trans issues and political debate in the UK.
It’s seem like a US politics theatrical bullshit, once again, exported to Europe.
this current wave of transphobia is a specifically British creation
What make you say that? We’re neighbours and I still heard this bullshit rhetoric more from across the Atlantic.
You probably have, you just may not know it.
Fully transitioned people, many of them “pass” well enough in the sea of infinite variety of people of the sex they’ve transitioned to. Which is a polite way of saying that the variety of how born-as-men and born-as-women appear is quite wide.
That’s exactly what it is. A political wedge issue. For example the issue of trans women “dominating” sports because they were born male is now a super hot button topic, even though the NCAA actually dealt with this issue in 2011 and laid out a very reasonable policy which functioned fine for many years and did not result in any level of trans women “dominance” of women’s sports.
Surprise surprise, it’s because in the U.S. the liberals won gay marriage and the conservatives “won” abortion, and now the conservative outrage factory needs a new angle to keep single-issue voters in line. It’s hilarious how the right always accuses the left of playing identity politics when they’re the ones that conjure up issues out of nothing.
What I find confounding is how Europe continues to import our political issues. These countries, especially the right wing, are always so derisive of American politics, but always seem to end up fighting the same stupid fights we do here. The rise of fascism seemed to also get kicked into high gear after Trump. Aren’t y’all supposed to be proud to be better than us? Stop copying the worst of us.
About your last point, it’s because of the overwhelming presence of US Media everywhere. The American soft power is truly a master class of how to dominate the majority of the world.
And Koch bros. and countless other conservative billionaires keep pumping money in every countries.
But we do have real historical leftist in the Majority of European countries.
I’ve met at least once in France, and working as a intern in public administration.
That’s the only I’ve met and she was at the reception in the prefecture.
I just said this to someone else, but how do you know you haven’t met other trans people? I had a friend for years before I found out he was trans because he wrote a song about it. He was out, and lots of people knew, but it never came up. We had other things to talk about.
That’s a very valid point
It seems like that cause it is just that, American zoomer culture bleeding over the rest of the world
You don’t think you’ve met any trans people. Odds are, you probably have.
I’ve met several trans and non-cis-gendered people in the USA. And America’s biggest export has always been culture, so when bigots over here shout, other bigots across the world amplify it.
It’s seem like a US politics theatrical bullshit, once again, exported to Europe
Right wingers need to create an enemy. As you said, they are no threat to our way of life, but people like Trump, Putin or that Florida clown made hating them a part of their political campaigns. And now the far-right in Europe are picking up on the same rhetoric.
I’m not trying to pretend everything is great here. Plenty of countries have extremely backwards laws regarding transgender individuals. But it’s very clear where this anti-trans statements come from
Hate of trans people is certainly not coming from the US.
No but using their existence as a political talking point is.
It’s so fucking annoying on reddit. You can’t even start an argument with them on completely unrelated subjects, it’s just “transphobic” and boom, downvotes
You can’t even start an argument with them
Who is them? The transgender hivemind?
Your post tries to say a lot, while not saying anything at all. I have arguments with other trans people a lot, never been called transphobic in my life.
The transgender hivemind?
I would say that they are mostly fake. Just looking to dilute the subjects.
That’s racist!
You sound like people saying “Oh we can’t say anything nowadays, everybody calls you racist” but you have to know that the majority of people have never been called transphobic or racist in their entire life.
It’s ok to ask question, to be curious, but there is a culture war on social media and it’s the last place to learn shit, and it’s better to just shut the fuck up if you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I think for them it was just a easy way to try to provoke the bremen ultras as some groups in Bremen are openly leftwing and lgbt friendly.
But doesn’t excuse the banner in any way.
They’re not hating trans people they’re just stating a fact to be fair. There’s only two genders, the sky is blue and so on.
What is it about football fans that makes them hate other teams’ fans? Like, they make hating other groups and loving their own group a care tenant of their entire character.
trans ppl are one of most marginalized groups who also have barely any representation in the public media, its a prime target for bullying when youre a horrible bigot, online spaces turn more and more into violent echo chambers so ppl get radicalized harder and faster than like 10 years ago.
Those ppl spend a lot of time online and Twitter’s new boss is openly pushig and supporting anti-trans voices for example. German Twitter is especially hateful and barely moderated.
Not to mention that a *lot* of Germans are still/again not rly socially progressivebarely any representation in the public media? bro are you crazy? they’re grossly overrepresented. considering how much you hear about them in in on social media and media in general you would think they would make up way more than tops 0.5% of the population, but they don’t. Come on man.
they don’t really exist in the real world
This guy has never been to a Smash Bros tournament
they don’t really exist in the real world.
The fuck.
They’re over-represented in the news because they’re being used as a political tool by the right.
ok
Trans people are incredibly over represented in the public media
I mean, highly depends on where you’re from. If you take “public media” as “American media and fictional stories by Netflix/Hollywood” then maybe you’re right. But it’s a pretty different reality if you’re from say Ecuador, and media representation is also a matter of proximity.
really?
the vast majority of trans debates in the english media sphere don’t even have trans people in the debate about them lol.
Otherwise it’s like, some fringe netflix shows and a small part of the indie gaming space are the only places, the chances of being exposed to trans representation in media without specifically searching it out is minimal.
Like, I’m very much in the online media spaces that are most welcoming of trans people and I still see very little unless I would specifically search for LBTQ+ media.
I did a quick google to get a frame of reference, and within video games since 2020, there are 17 trans characters, of which only 4 games would be considered mainstream (Last of Us 2, Cyberpunk, Baldurs Gate 3, Hogwarts Legacy)… That’s not many, and I don’t think we can really consider many of the games Super Lesbian Animal RPG to really be representative of regular media?
For films it’s 23 films since 2020 of which I have heard of only 1 film, the rest are all indie art-house… Again not really representative of what people will see unless they search it out.
Male to female trans may be visble in media , but not really in a meaningful way on tv which is still king in the voter base that have a majority in this aging country. Unfunnily enough the vast majority of trans people are female to male and they barely have any representation
How is that banner connected to trans people? (Not a hater, I’m geniunely asking.)
What do you think “but only two genders” is referring too…
Those people most likely wanted for trans people to be included in the banner’s meaning, but don’t the later want to be a male/female, which are one of those two genders, just the opposite of their sex at birth?
I mean, can’t you be supportive of trans people, while thinking there are only two genders? If you’re trans, you’re either male or female, right?
I know an older guy who complains non-stop about trans and also complains about how his tik-tok/insta/whatever fucking socials show him a LOT of trans stuff. We haven’t the heart to explain to him how algorithms work and that he clearly seeks this shit out. They like it (or are at least intrigued by it), they hate that they like it, and they get angry about it.
We need awards back for comments like this
they dont hate trans people, they just hate the people supporting trans people
Trying for force something on people usually comes with a reaction
This. Ain’t no trans person ever done me wrong so why should I hate them?
Bigoted football ultras on the other hand…
The two groups that disproportionately shout louder than their ‘opposition’ are anti-trans people and anti-vegan people.
There are two genders and you’ve just eaten two steaks - I could not give less of a shit about your attention seeking bullshit.
What blows my mind is that this is the sort of shit I found funny when I was 12, and there are grown adults wetting themselves with laughter over it.
Hmmm Vegans definitely have certain groups that are pretty damn insufferable and authoritarian
Nah, I know a bunch of vegans and they’re really just normal people.
Vegetarianism is a common practice in Asian culture. I ate vegetarian for a month as part of mourning my deceased grandmother. It’s really not a big deal.
Wait, maybe I’m being ignorant, but what do trans issues have to do with the gender binary? If someone transitions, they’re generally MTF or FTM, which could still be understood as binary, right?
This is moreso against non-binary, isn’t it?
Partly because they have no other meaning in their lives than to hate on other people.
And partly because they want to believe that they’re onto the establishment’s sinister plot - they’re pushing LGBT+ on everybody and eventually it will be illegal not to cut off your dick.
But these brave heroes are awake to this crusade (you could even say they’re woke), and think that by getting on the hate bus early, that they can point with righteous indignation that they tried to warn us but nobody listened.
Or they were wrong, and they hated a minority for no reason, which for them is a win-win situation.
