• Knorff@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    The English line-up was decided by a FA committee. Every player was nominated for a certain position and had to play this position.

    The Hungarian line-up was decided by their coach. Especially their forwards didn´t care about positions.

    You can see why Hungary won and England was very confused the whole game.

    Extra info: The statistic was around 35:5 shots on goal for Hungary.

  • el_brahmo@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    Ist’s the match of the century the 1970 WC semi final match Germany against Italy ?

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    10 months ago

    When I was in Budapest for the EL final I saw a huge mural of this result painted on some random residential building

    • I_miss_Chris_Hughton@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      Made me feel bad for Gil Merrick, who is slathered on there Even though as far as I can tell he was sort of left out to dry by a bad formation

  • I_miss_Chris_Hughton@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    Always felt bad for Gil Merrick. Very good goalkeeper by all accounts, one of the Birmingham City all time great players and managers, servant of the club for decades. Is known around the world for conceding 11 to Hungary when it probably wasn’t his fault.

  • JacquouileFripouile@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    My great grandpa used to tell me about Hungarian Laka Konjica when I was a wee lad. He told me that there was no football fan who didn’t love them

    • mrbasil_fawlty@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      Communists are long gone and now Hungarians are Putin’s most coward puppets, so it must be something with them… destined to lose, that’s their heritage

    • NiK3_Aub4mey4ng@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      i mean it’s also would be a ‘what-if’ that if Hungary won in ‘54, does the uprising have in ‘56

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          10 months ago

          ? wdym, it has been written about plenty how the loss was a really bad hit on morale for the Hungarian public, obviously its not the only reason, but it obviously had some part

    • chappersbarfo@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      If anything communism had a focus on competing at a global level in sports hence why the Soviet Union got to a semifinal, Poland got to two (or three can’t remember) and czechoslovakia even won the euros.

    • MimesAreShite@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      they were still a top team well into the seventies (just checked, and i think the first time they dropped out of the Elo top 10 post-WW2 was 1974).

      • NiK3_Aub4mey4ng@alien.topB
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        10 months ago

        i mean they had a good team, Florian Albert was European Footballer of the Year in ‘67. Just I think they always tried to compare themselves to the ‘52 team and they weren’t able to

          • NiK3_Aub4mey4ng@alien.topB
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            10 months ago

            i mean the '52 squad won the Olympics, where they beat Sweden 6-2 in the semi-finals, its really the same squad, just 2 years older. In '54 you also had Puskas injured until finals and such

      • I_miss_Chris_Hughton@alien.topB
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        10 months ago

        The odds of them having that sort of team again though are tiny. Even brazil struggle to replicate teams like the wc70 team.

  • CeterumCenseo85@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    I’ve only ever known Italy vs Germany in the 1970 WC referred to as “The Game of the Century.” The stadium in Mexico even has a sign commemorating as such.

    • aguilaclc@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      Estadio Azteca. Hosted the best team (1970 Brazil), the best match (ITA v GER 1970) and the best goal (Maradona v England)

    • KnightsOfCidona@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      Always forget Alf Ramsey was a player, in my head he’s always a middle aged bald man with a posh accent.

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      10 months ago

      To add on to the previous comments, 11-es is shorthand for “tizenegyes” (tizenegy means eleven). The suffix -ből means “from” in Hungarian.

    • AlhamdolilahFE@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      Just looked it up and saw that Ramsey scored a penalty kick. 11-esbol would mean 11 meters and thus a penalty I think lol

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    10 months ago

    In football its is a widespread belief that in order to be remembered you need to win silverware.

    Hungary of that time is one of the exceptions to that rule.

    • BlueAzania@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      I love how English can confuse someone if they’re not well-conversant with the language.

        • Ok-Satisfaction-5012@alien.topB
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          10 months ago

          Most people’s minds, when fluent in a language, will often literally autocorrect mistakes like that and only recall them if they deliberately attempt to, you’re fine

        • basmati-rixe@alien.topB
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          10 months ago

          The only slight grammatical error was putting “its is”. And even then that’s so nit picky. The sentence was perfectly worded.

        • BlueAzania@alien.topB
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          10 months ago

          I’m referring to how the other guy in the thread completely missed the point of your argument.

          Your comment made perfect sense just to clarify.

    • cib_vk228@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      Nonsense. Hungary '54 and Netherlands '74 lost in final, but are still remembered fondly.

      • SpookyHideaway@alien.topB
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        10 months ago

        It’s hardly “nonsense”. OP said that Hungary are one of the exceptions. There’s not that many teams who didn’t win a tournament who end up remembered to that extent.

        Hungary are unusual too in that they only had a brief period with those players. If they were from a different country and stayed together as a group they would have had another go in 1958.

        • bb9622@alien.topB
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          10 months ago

          This Hungary team only had 1 major tournament. Hungary withdrew from the 1950 WC, afaik it was because of the 1952 Olympics (which they won and I have no idea how highly it was regarded back then), then they played in the 1954 WC (there were no Euros at the time, it only started in 1960), and then the 1956 revolution happened.

          • SpookyHideaway@alien.topB
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            Yes that’s what I was referring to in my post. It was a brief period where they were the best.

            The Olympics was regarded as relatively important then. Not to everyone but much more than now. It’s why the game against England had added prestige as they were arriving as Olympic champions.

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        10 months ago

        So like 2 teams over the last 70 years? (Id personally add Brazil and the Netherlands 1998 as well)

      • WalkingCloud@alien.topB
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        10 months ago

        Totally disagree, Hungary '54 and Netherlands '74 are remembered even though they didn’t win silverware IMO

        • Matthew_1453@alien.topB
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          10 months ago

          Though you just mentioned the same 2 teams as the other reply. Those are the 2 major exceptions (obviously there’s others too)

    • just_a_funguy@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      No, they are not. The general public doesn’t even know about them. They are pretty irrevant. Uruguay who won last during the stone ages are remembered more fondly

    • just_szabi@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      My grandfather was very proud of that result too. Not sure if this is true, but apparently the English training camp was in Balatonboglár, near where he lived at the time, and they were training here for a week (according to him anyway).

      He kept saying a funny line in Hungarian which could be translated like this:

      “Az angolok egy hétre jöttek, és 7:1re mentek”.

      The english came for one week (1:7), and went back with 7:1 :)

      One week sounds like “one seven” because seven and (a) week is the same word (hét) in Hungarian.

    • belokas@alien.topB
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      Because that was the first time England lost a game at home. The second time it happened they already knew England was bad and Hungary was very good.

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        that was the first time England lost a game at home.

        It wasn’t. It was the first home game they lost to a team from the European continent though.

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        The second time it happened they already knew England was bad and Hungary was very good.

        I know what you mean, but genuinely that England team weren’t ‘bad’, Hungary were that good.

      • Such_Technician_501@alien.topB
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        10 months ago

        Actually Ireland was the first team to beat England at home. September 1949. 2-0 at Goodison Park.

        Doesn’t quite fit the narrative that they could only be beaten by the exotic Mighty Magyars though.

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          Scotland first beat England in 1877 and were the first team to beat them at Wembley. Wales and Ireland (original Ireland football team for the entire island) both beat England multiple times in England before 1953 but Hungary were the first continental European team to beat England in England which is why it’s so well known.

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    According to Jonathan Wilson in his book “inverting the pyramid”, this game was a massive turning point in the understanding of formations. I don’t remember exact quotes but the English players were so confused by Nándor Hidegkúti’s false 9 role that they just helplessly watched unending Hungarian attacks and conceding lots of goals.