Interoperability emerged as one of the big technology trends of 2022, shining a light on open, decentralized protocols such as Matrix.

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(just because I sometimes miss them when the post has a text body)

So, I kept seeing the option to list a “Matrix” username in my lemmy profile across various instances, but I had no idea what Matrix actually was. This is from last December so it’s not hot off the press, but it was a good read and I wanted to share it in hopes it might help add some context for anyone else like me wondering what it’s all about!

  • AnActualFossil
    13•11 months ago

    So why is Matrix allowed to survive when XMPP (the original protocol that made messaging apps interoperable) was killed when it started to thrive?

    • glitchedream
      29•11 months ago

      Google. XMPP was getting a lot of traction so Google started to support it in it’s chat clients but then after they got people on Google products they slowly stopped making all features XMPP compatible. This caused non Google XMPP clients to have a sub part experience. This pushed people to switch to Google or lose the ability to talk to friends using Google.

      This is a tactic referred to by “Embrace, extend, and extinguish”

      • @[email protected]English
        3•11 months ago

        I think it’s more that AIM was the only other decent sized player in chat that actually played along with federation. With nobody else playing ball and everyone building their own walled gardens, it didn’t make sense for Google to continue to invest.

        As someone who has written XMPP code, the protocol is also not pleasant to work with as it’s all XML. IIRC, features like presence and read receipts weren’t initially part of the protocol. That said, I still think extended an existing popular protocol is better than making a new one.

    • gravitywell
      14•11 months ago

      XMPP is still alive and well as a protocol, google just kinda stole it (other stuff still uses it too tho but unfederated). I know the majority of folks i talked to over XMPP were actually just using it because it was part of google talk, then hangouts, then google decided to defederate hangouts and eventually killed it alltogether but people moved to facebook or whatsapp for the most part.

      Also I think the timing was off for XMPP, in large part people who used it also still used IRC for groups even though XMPP also supported groups you didn’t really see major open source projects making XMPP groups to go along with their IRC channels like you have with matrix. Now what we really need is for discord to join with Twitter and Reddit in enshittification of their products so average folks get fed up enough to move over.

    • admiralteal
      6•11 months ago

      A few big companies, notably Google (with Google Talk), made a concerted EEE effort to kill XMPP.

    • vtez44
      5•11 months ago

      Enough people are used to the proprietary apps, so it doesn’t matter for them. 0,01% of users flowing to other protocols for just part of their conversations isn’t going to hurt them.

    • @[email protected]English
      4•11 months ago

      XMPP doesn’t have encryption integrated. There were a few attempts at shoehorning encryption on top of it in a backwards-compatible manner, but they had issues with interoperability between clients, and also weren’t supported by all of them.

      Usually this isn’t such a big deal, but I think that there’s a big overlap between people who care about encryption and people who care about federated IM systems.