The first (and last) surface product I bought was the pro 3, and I still find uses for it today. I’m planning on making it a media hub for my workout machine when I get that set up. I need to clear some space before I can put that together.
I recently purchased an older gen (refurb) framework 13 and it sure is quick. A bit costly, but hopefully the last full laptop I’ll need to buy.
My desktop is an older (purchased used) Dell high end desktop system, which I dropped CPU/RAM/SSDs into and augmented with a Nvidia RTX card. Runs like a champ. Built in ~2016 or so… It was like 5 years old when I got my hands on it.
I still have my ~15 year old Alienware… I think the M15x, which was a pre-Dell acquisition laptop. From college. Which still works but probably needs some coaxing to get up and running again. That was the last “new” system I purchased. I learned my lesson then to not buy new.
I also have a collection of older servers and stuff and I run a homelab on dated enterprise equipment. It needs an upgrade as the main components are over 10 years old (except the drives), and it’s showing its age. Looking at getting a refurb/used Dell FX2s chassis because it’s more upgradeable than the alternatives and should save space and power.
The only warning I will give is that low end consumer systems are going to be garbage, whether they’re new or not. When buying a used prebuilt, I highly recommend finding a used business system.
In general, if you are looking for a system to play games with, building your own is the best option, if you have the money, buying from an SI is the next best (they basically do the same as a custom build, it’s just that they’re doing it instead of you), after that, you can get a gaming focused, used, prebuilt if you like (like an Alienware or something similarly gaming focused) and do some upgrades (GPU, disk, more RAM, etc) as appropriate, or buy a prebuilt office PC and add a good GPU.
The custom built after market is a nightmare of both good and bad deals; for someone who isn’t completely versed on hardware, I would say you either need to bring a friend who is, or just avoid it entirely.
With all used/refurbished systems, always set aside some money for a new primary drive or SSD, since the one that’s included is probably fairly worn out, and it’s not unusual to have it fail within a few years of getting the system.
The only new PC’s I would say you should consider, are from SI’s. Where it’s basically a custom/self built PC, but built by someone else. Only if you have the money and only if you can’t do it yourself for any reason. If you have any technical know how at all and can take an hour to look up PC building guides, then spend a few hours on pcpartpicker or similar to spec the system… Then just do it yourself. I won’t fault anyone for using an SI, if they simply don’t have the time to learn and do it themselves, or if they have a mobility issue… (among many other reasons). Buying a new prebuilt from a big name should probably be avoided where possible (names like Dell, Lenovo, Microsoft, HP, Asus, Acer, etc). Used are fine as long as you can get a deal and the system is part of the business line… For gaming, not a lot of business PCs are good for gaming. Some can be upgraded to be decent at it (usually by adding a consumer graphics card).
The difficult one is laptops. If you want a mobile system with graphics enough to play modern games at even modest settings, you’re going to have a lot of difficulty finding something in the used/refurb segments… Mainly because GPUs have such a significant performance difference between each generation. Any modern generation GPU in a laptop will command a very high price, and it goes downhill fast, especially considering that mobile GPUs are fairly poor for performance, even compared to the same generation of the same series of desktop card.
In those cases, I’d generally recommend a business system with a thunderbolt GPU dock, and just slap in a desktop GPU. It’s not as mobile, but you’re going to save a lot of time and heartache trying to find a good system that fits both your performance requirements and your wallet. An external GPU dock gives you the flexibility of using less expensive desktop cards with more power, and upgrading that card whenever it suits you.
The first (and last) surface product I bought was the pro 3, and I still find uses for it today. I’m planning on making it a media hub for my workout machine when I get that set up. I need to clear some space before I can put that together.
I recently purchased an older gen (refurb) framework 13 and it sure is quick. A bit costly, but hopefully the last full laptop I’ll need to buy.
My desktop is an older (purchased used) Dell high end desktop system, which I dropped CPU/RAM/SSDs into and augmented with a Nvidia RTX card. Runs like a champ. Built in ~2016 or so… It was like 5 years old when I got my hands on it.
I still have my ~15 year old Alienware… I think the M15x, which was a pre-Dell acquisition laptop. From college. Which still works but probably needs some coaxing to get up and running again. That was the last “new” system I purchased. I learned my lesson then to not buy new.
I also have a collection of older servers and stuff and I run a homelab on dated enterprise equipment. It needs an upgrade as the main components are over 10 years old (except the drives), and it’s showing its age. Looking at getting a refurb/used Dell FX2s chassis because it’s more upgradeable than the alternatives and should save space and power.
The only warning I will give is that low end consumer systems are going to be garbage, whether they’re new or not. When buying a used prebuilt, I highly recommend finding a used business system.
RE your last paragraph: does this apply to gaming or just as a general office work machine?
In general, if you are looking for a system to play games with, building your own is the best option, if you have the money, buying from an SI is the next best (they basically do the same as a custom build, it’s just that they’re doing it instead of you), after that, you can get a gaming focused, used, prebuilt if you like (like an Alienware or something similarly gaming focused) and do some upgrades (GPU, disk, more RAM, etc) as appropriate, or buy a prebuilt office PC and add a good GPU.
The custom built after market is a nightmare of both good and bad deals; for someone who isn’t completely versed on hardware, I would say you either need to bring a friend who is, or just avoid it entirely.
With all used/refurbished systems, always set aside some money for a new primary drive or SSD, since the one that’s included is probably fairly worn out, and it’s not unusual to have it fail within a few years of getting the system.
The only new PC’s I would say you should consider, are from SI’s. Where it’s basically a custom/self built PC, but built by someone else. Only if you have the money and only if you can’t do it yourself for any reason. If you have any technical know how at all and can take an hour to look up PC building guides, then spend a few hours on pcpartpicker or similar to spec the system… Then just do it yourself. I won’t fault anyone for using an SI, if they simply don’t have the time to learn and do it themselves, or if they have a mobility issue… (among many other reasons). Buying a new prebuilt from a big name should probably be avoided where possible (names like Dell, Lenovo, Microsoft, HP, Asus, Acer, etc). Used are fine as long as you can get a deal and the system is part of the business line… For gaming, not a lot of business PCs are good for gaming. Some can be upgraded to be decent at it (usually by adding a consumer graphics card).
The difficult one is laptops. If you want a mobile system with graphics enough to play modern games at even modest settings, you’re going to have a lot of difficulty finding something in the used/refurb segments… Mainly because GPUs have such a significant performance difference between each generation. Any modern generation GPU in a laptop will command a very high price, and it goes downhill fast, especially considering that mobile GPUs are fairly poor for performance, even compared to the same generation of the same series of desktop card.
In those cases, I’d generally recommend a business system with a thunderbolt GPU dock, and just slap in a desktop GPU. It’s not as mobile, but you’re going to save a lot of time and heartache trying to find a good system that fits both your performance requirements and your wallet. An external GPU dock gives you the flexibility of using less expensive desktop cards with more power, and upgrading that card whenever it suits you.
Thanks a bunch for the extensive answer. Lots to think about
There always is.
Good luck fellow traveler, and good hunting.