Why are Premier League injuries at a new high?
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The Premier League currently has 196 injuries recorded in just over three months, with Newcastle and Manchester United suffering more than most - so why this many?
  • rybl@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    The double digit stoppage times and super-long VAR stoppages we are seeing this year might have something to do with it.

  • Petef15h@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    I’ve heard that the long wait times on VAR decisions are also potentially having an impact as players as cooling down whilst waiting int be ref, and then having to go back up to full speed almost instantly. Was pointed at a possible reason for Van Der Ven’s hamstring against Chelsea

  • i_like_cakess@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Aside from the reasons mentioned above there could be one more thing: players could be a little bit more careful with their bodies last year given an injury would rule them out from World Cup selection

  • fuqqkevindurant@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    ITT: People who have no idea that statistical noise can exist and that looking at a sample of 4 years to compare this season to is something that should get you laughed at by anybody who has half of a brain

    • Maleficent_Resolve44@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Not sure about that mate. The number of domestic games played has been the same for 25+ years now. 38 league games, usual number of FA cup and EFL cup games too. A full UCL campaign has also been 13 games for 25+ years too. The world cup has been the same length for 25yrs as well and the Euros has only been one game longer in recent years since 2016.

      All these extra games that people think of like the new UCL league format, the club world cup and the 48 team world cup have not been implemented yet. There’s something else behind these injuries. It could be the increased intensity of the modern game or something else but blaming the number of games seems illogical because it hasn’t changed much.

      • random_nickname43796@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        Longer injury time and the game has become more physical. Now it’s normal for players to run 10-12 km, before it was only for specific roles. Even the speed increased.

        So while the number of games didn’t increase yet, the playtime and intensity has. And if the number of games increases the situation will get even worse

        • Maleficent_Resolve44@alien.topBEnglish
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          10 months ago

          Yeah I agree its probably because of the high physical intensity of the game these days. I’m not sure about the longer injury time tbh because that’s something that hasn’t even been around for a year but we’ve had increasing numbers of injuries for a couple years now.

      • FlatlandTrooper@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        I personally lean towards the extra intensity. It’s an open secret that all the top level players/teams are using the blood doping and other tricks to increase oxygenation levels and recovery times. The tactics of the game such as constant high level pressing keep players running further and faster than in the past. If you watch old highlights from 20 years ago, the space players have in the midfield is unreal compared to the compactness and speed at which players are closed down today.

      • themerinator12@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        It’s likely an issue of higher intensity plus something to do with the WC in Qatar last year. Norway didn’t qualify and Haaland was basically injury free all season which I thought was rare for him. Other players that played in both seemed way worse for the wear if they were playing 90-100 minutes in each WC match and late into the knockouts.

    • wmj31@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      But I get to see football and that’s all that matters apparently

  • imbluedabudeedabuda@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    • too many games.

    • not enough rotation because every player is expensive.

    • players are getting more athletic so more forces put into the ground at higher speeds and shorter ground contact times.

    • time off between seasons are way too short. pre seasons are way too short. 4 week preseason to go from sedentary to game speed is nowhere near enough.

    • VaudevilleVillain@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      time off between seasons are way too short. pre seasons are way too short. 4 week preseason to go from sedentary to game speed is nowhere near enough.

      This point is so true. I follow some american sports and they get an incredible amount of time off compared to footballers. NFL, MLB and NBA get months off whereas footballers get 6-8 weeks at most. Less if there is an international tournament.

    • SoWhatNoZitiNow@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Do the players even have long enough of an offseason for them to really be considering “from sedentary” at the beginning of the pre-season? The players who are called up to offseason international tournaments definitely don’t.

    • Blue_winged_yoshi@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Can’t overlook winter World Cup’s impact, that last season just didn’t end add in how competitive pre-season is getting (tours are not hammering a couple of local J-league sides anymore, it’s Arsenal and Utd kicking lumps out of each other!), when is the break? When was pre-season?

      Also something I’d add is it’s not just player price, some of the most overworked players are youth products. Look at how much football Gavi and Saka have played last couple years.

      Final point is PL related but the number of points needed to win a league now with how competitive the league is all the way down makes rotating players out hard. Sure Man City can rotate between Grealish and Doku, but how many even big sides have a £100m player and a back up £70m player with both happy to be there?

    • TheDirtyOnion@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Most of these make sense. While I think longer pre-seasons would be helpful, describing players as “sedentary” when they come into camp is not true at all. Players are on conditioning schedules during the break now. They may not come in at 100%, but they aren’t starting from anywhere near zero either.

      I am also not sure teams are viewing players they need to spend millions acquiring as expendable, and probably are investing quite a bit in avoiding injuries as much as they can (while still running those players out as often as possible).

    • boi1da1296@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Oh yeah? Well I’m a genius and have a rebuttal for every single one of your points:

      too many games.

      They’re being paid lots of money to kick a ball, they should be happy they even get to play at all.

      not enough rotation because every player is expensive so you’re not going to rotate out your 100m man when every game is must win.

      Why should they be rotated when they earn 100m every week? My boss doesn’t rotate me at my office job.

      players are getting more athletic so more forces put into the ground at higher speeds and shorter ground contact times.

      They’re being paid to be fit? What’s the problem here?

      time off between seasons are way too short. pre seasons are way too short. 4 week preseason to go from sedentary to game speed is nowhere near enough.

      When my grandad worked the coal mines, do you think they cared if he had a break? These millionaire diva crybabies that I invest hundreds of hours watching every year need to think of the common person.

      generally very mediocre strength and conditioning. which clubs can get away with because you can just buy a healthy player, buy a fast player etc instead of revamping your physical development systems

      Maybe they can take the 200m they earn every week and spend it on a trainer that’s actually good at their job!

      Makes me sick seeing all the defenders of these overpaid footballers. They get paid more than most will see in their lifetimes, clearly their bodies are different from the rest of ours.

    • empiresk@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      not enough rotation because every player is expensive so you’re not going to rotate out your 100m man when every game is must win.

      That is on the clubs. Top clubs have capacity to rotate but refuse to.

      • ThereWillBeGoals@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        I see this repeated a lot but it’s not true in reality. Pep and Klopp rotate more than anyone. Having deep benches allow you to do that. Clubs with shallower benches are forced to play their best XI more often.

        • Bozzetyp@alien.topBEnglish
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          10 months ago

          That is actually only partly true, city has one of the smaller squads - though oep rotates alot in his “17” outfield squad

            • kucharssim@alien.topBEnglish
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              10 months ago

              This is a really important point that people often do not consider.

              One thing is to rotate with a squad that is made up of players of lower quality than your starting XI, another thing is to rotate when you have a 100m player on the bench.

              Sure you can choose to rotate to protect your players, but it’s perfectly understandable that coaches that are first and foremost judged by results are reluctant to do that if rotation means likely dropping more points during the season.

            • Bozzetyp@alien.topBEnglish
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              10 months ago

              That I agree with, but remeber that quality also allows you to use players like akanji, rico, stephen very often

      • Greaves624@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        Jose whined about Europa being 2 days ahead of the Derby only to play most of his starters into the ground and refuse to sub anyone out, or give them rest. Proceeded to do absolutely nothing in either games

    • blurr90@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      These points all apply to the seasons before. Why is it now a 15% increase? None of it is an explanation for that.

      And I just say this: Why the fuck do these teams have a medical staff, when they aren’t able to to check player health and manage their load?

  • LongDongSilver911@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Players don’t even get proper summer rests because the clubs are desperate to get them playing all across the globe for exposure during those time periods.

  • jc_calwood@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Has VAR also played some role here? I can imagine having 1-2 minute pauses several times a game can make you cool off pretty quickly and your muscles become more injury prone. I believe that’s actually what happened to van de Ven in the Tottenham - Chelsea game for example

    • moonski@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Van De Ven did not do his hamstring just because of a VAR pause. If the pauses were an issue you’d see it all the time in Rugby, which you don’t…

      • washag@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        We’d also see the field become a casualty ward after half time in every game.

  • Kreygasm2233@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Too many games, high intensity football, lack of proper rotations

    And its only going to get worse next year because of the new format for European competitions

    • stangerlpass@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Hogh intensity football is an underrated aspect imo. 5 sears ago most of the lesser teams would play low blocks and sit back. Today almost every team plays a high press but not all the players are built for it.

      • Blue_winged_yoshi@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        And 10 early 2000s small teams didn’t even play low blocks just generically bad football with a bit of defence, bit of attack no tactical fouls and big sides would play bottom half clubs in cruise control.

        The game is better for smaller clubs being significantly more capable, it’s one change I wouldn’t want to undo at all, but something has to give and tournaments should not be expanding at all as a bare minimum. It’s getting worse not better

        • MICOTINATE@alien.topBEnglish
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          10 months ago

          something has to give

          I think 15% more things have given this year compared to previous years

    • qu1x0t1cZ@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      I’m sure when the Nations League was first announced UEFA said that it would eventually replace Euros qualifiers. Probably changed their minds in favour of more cash.

      As an aside I hate how big the Euros has become. When I was a kid it was 16 teams representing most of the top 20 international teams in the world. Short tournament, high quality, good fun. Now it’s too diluted.

      • moonski@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        The euros was peak at 16. Almost no dead rubbers even in the groups, just a quality tournament all round.

        • juve_merda@alien.topBEnglish
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          10 months ago

          16 team euros was brutal, 1 bad game in he group and you could be out

          now it just has a ton of filler, which on one hand is nice for the smaller nations that wouldn’t get to compete otherwise, but it always means some low stakes games

    • Nahcep@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Technically you could make them different, let’s say one in a classic format and one closer to current Champions’ League with League A being the main qualification route - it would still keep the challenge between low-rated teams while keeping the tournament finals in the other

      Right now they are redundant, yeah