• Johnsmith13371337@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    If Potter can get it right England could be a great side.

    Just not sure he would get enough time with the players as an international manager.

  • Ibangcrewgirls@alien.topB
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    Gareth is probably the most successful modern era manager we’ve had. And he’s fucking shit and gotta go. We’ll never win anything with him in charge.

  • Shadeun@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    Everyone in England should pool together a fiver each and offer Pep £50m/year to manage. (ill chip in 10 so he leaves the league).

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    1 year ago

    We’ve tried the internationally respected managers, in Erikson and Capello. They were shit compared to Southgate.

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      1 year ago

      Might stick a few quid on this, not sure why the FA insist England must have an English manager but hey-ho.

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          1 year ago

          I couldn’t care less personally, foreign managers of national teams have been a thing since the beginning and why handicap yourself when others won’t do the same?

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              Correlation not causation, the World Cup has only been won by countries with a rich history of football that means they’re capable of producing great managerial talent too.

              That’s obviously not to say England is incapable of producing world class managers, but for various reasons English managers’ career progression is more limited in England.

            • mzp3256@alien.topB
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              That is true, but I don’t think that means it’s impossible for a foreign manager to win a World Cup. I think that’s just a sign that the elite nations don’t need to hire foreign managers because they have plenty of domestic managers to choose from.

              Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Italy, France, and Spain have never been managed by a foreign manager at a World Cup. We don’t know if they’re capable of winning a World Cup with a foreign manager because they’ve never tried.

              England couldn’t get past the WC Quarterfinals with Eriksson and Capello, but they still did better than the English managers before and after them. Netherlands made it to the 1978 WC Final with Austrian Ernst Happel as manager. And Belgium 2018 and Portugal 2006 made it to the WC Semi-Finals with foreign managers.

            • Mihnea24_03@alien.topB
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              Greece didn’t win a World Cup but I’d still say it was a good deal to bring in a foreign manager

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            1 year ago

            However when England tried it they actually managed to handicap themselves with the couldn’t give a fuck at the time Fabio Capello. Remember the Capello Index?

          • Call_me_Tetsuo@alien.topB
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            and why handicap yourself when others won’t do the same?

            Most do thought don’t they? The only nations that often hire foreign managers are the African nations no? Is there any major national team that had a foreign manager recently?

            • SJM_93@alien.topB
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              Last two I remember off the top of my head that weren’t for England are Martinez at Belgium and Phil Scolari at Portugal.

              • Call_me_Tetsuo@alien.topB
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                Oh ja! I don’t know why I forgot Martinez with Belgium/Portugal. Scolari was ages ago lol, may as well mention Capello at England too. Carlo may be the next one with Brazil.

      • woeisuhmebop@alien.topB
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        If England want to win a trophy it won’t be the manager who wins it, it will be the players. At the last Euros the squad was good, and maybe should have won, but they just didnt have the experience or the stature to take it all the way. Now there’s players like Kane and Bellingham, the best players at two of the biggest clubs in the world, and several Champions League winners in the squad they know how to win - the manager can be anyone who gives them the platform to take it on.

        • A_Round_of_Gwent@alien.topB
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          Maybe that’s because top teams rarely appoint foreign managers? Foreign managers can’t win the Euros or the World Cup with France or Germany or whatever if they don’t even get appointed to begin with

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        I think it’s the fault of Capello really, who was so foreign, quite cold, terse, with not a great command of the language, and hugely underperformed with squad cohesion (ie, the soft side of the job) being a failure of the team. Not that I’m putting all the blame on Capello… the media and the players all have to take some share of that. Also, his style was of his time.

        I think if we had a warm and cuddly foreign manager with great English, like Klopp was when he first started at Liverpool (he’s a bit more jaded now), then the FA would consider it. Even if you’re a Southgate doubter, you can’t deny that he’s made such huge progress on squad cohesion.

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          Just to add to this, there’s no way the FA haven’t taken notice of Wiegman being such a success. As long as they speak decent English and will throw themselves into the job, I think they’d be open to a non-English person.

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          That’s precisely the reason I’m not keen on the idea of Mourinho taking over. The atmosphere in the squad is incredibly harmonious and I just don’t see him carrying that on. We can’t afford to have a fractious dressing room.

        • SJM_93@alien.topB
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          He was until the 2010 tournament where he decided to ditch the tactics that brought us to the tournament and play a brexit 4-4-2 with Emile motherfucking Heskey up top. I’m still fuming about that 13 years later.

          • AnnieIWillKnow@alien.topB
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            He was awful

            England played dire football under him, and the players didn’t like him

            It was bad on the pitch, and bad off of it

            He had a more talented group than Southgate, to boot

      • Call_me_Tetsuo@alien.topB
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        Potter failed to implement his tactics and philosophy at Chelsea despite working with the players every single day. What makes people think he would have the time to implement his tactics when he only gets to see his players for a week or 2 every couple of months? Teams that do well at national team level tend to go with basic football. Spain could play their intricate football because the majority of their team played together at club level too.

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      Honestly not the worst appointment. Struggled at Chelsea but that’s less on him and more on the shit behind the scenes. Better manager than Southgate at least.

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    Non Englishman here.

    Why does the England manager need to be English? Wouldn’t they be best to find the best candidate regardless of where they’re from?

    • crab--person@alien.topB
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      Any international job really. Most managers only take them when they can’t get a decent club job or they are heading towards retirement.

    • HodgyBeatsss@alien.topB
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      It is incredibly well paid though. Well less so now with Southgate maybe, although he’s paid more than he would get at a club job. But back in the days of Sven and Capello it was one of the highest paid roles around. The FA could still offer a huge salary to attract a big name to the job if they wanted to.