• knotted@feddit.uk
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    1 year ago

    That’s barely controversial, absolutely brain dead from Bairstow there. I hate the English media and ECB whining about the spirit of the game for something like this

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      1 year ago

      He can only blame himself but its an outrageous circumstance and its easier to aim that outrage at opposition/officiating.

      I must admit, I nearly turned it off at that point in frustration/protest. Glad I didn’t.

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        1 year ago

        Yeah agree about it being easier to direct the outrage elsewhere. I think the fan response to the spirit of the game is becoming more important than what actually happens on the pitch.

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    1 year ago

    I mean it would obviously be a bit hypocritical as a Kiwi to say the Aussies were wrong given we’ve got people out in similar fashions. But clearly Bairstow goofed here; the ball wasn’t dead and he just wandered out. Its a dumb dismissal sure, and but its equally dumb that he did it, and that the Aussies appealed it. Either way, appealing to the spirit of sportsmanship or cricket or whatever has long gone.

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      1 year ago

      I’m English. Think it was just stupid from Bairstow.

      I don’t think the English would have withdrawn I’m the same circumstances, no matter what they say.

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        1 year ago

        Yeah didn’t we have a run in at one point where there was a collision between batsman & fielder and Collingwood appealed for the wicket? I can’t remember if it was eventually withdrawn or not but I know our kiwi players were steaming at the time.

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      I just don’t get why they’d withdraw the appeal or why anyone would try and coax them into it. It’s not a mankading. He walked straight out, and Carey threw the ball directly at the stumps after catching.

      I’d say the spirit of the game is about things like walking after you’ve nicked the ball, or admitting you didn’t catch a ball. If Carey had waited for Bairstow to leave this crease and then stumped him I think there’s a better case for the ball being dead but also for the spirit of the game argument. But that’s not the case here

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      1 year ago

      Yeah but the latter requires an arbitrary interpretation of the spirit of the game which is dependent on outcome

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          He thought it was dead ball.

          Exactly. Bairstow made a dumb mistake and as a result, he got out. The ‘spirit of cricket’ doesn’t mean you get a second chance if you do something dumb, otherwise Khawaja shouldn’t have been out when he shouldered arms and was bowled. “Oops that was silly of me. Can I have it over again?”

          There was nothing deceitful about this - it’s not like they claimed a catch when they knew it hit the ground. The batter made a mistake and lost his wicket.

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              Batting isn’t just the skill of hitting a ball, it’s also the athleticism and tactics of running. The batsman’s position in relation to the crease is a fundamental concept in batting tactics. This is absolutely not a case where the batsman would generally be considered ok to absent-mindedly wander outside the crease, such as for the off-strike batsman during a bowler’s run-up. There is no substance to the principle argument like with a mankad-style dismissal, just the vague suggestion that the fielding team should reasonably allow the batsman to self-determine whether the ball is live or dead.

              It’s really not a neutral-sounding argument. McCullum has dismissed the same way, Bairstow has attempted to dismiss the same way, yet you’re holding Australia to this imaginary standard of sportsmanship which none of the involved parties can hope to live up to.