Evolution being just a little bit clunky is a massive improvement from the Gnome 2 and early Gnome 3 days, for what it’s worth.

Their core - brain rotted boomers.

Avocado farmers in shambles.

Thanks, I’ll have to sit my ass at my desk so I can try it again. I wonder if there’s much delta between what you’re using and the beta I’m on from Extra. Though it does look like there are some new betas in Extra-Testing.

I’ll need to give tiling another try, I started using alpha 5 back in January and there were some pretty nasty bugs in tiling mode back then that made me think maybe a memory leak or something. After 15-20 minutes performance would get horrible until switching back to floating, though I’m fuzzy on the details.

Is there any capability to leave an open space? Honestly, I like tiling more for the orderliness above and beyond snapping than the dynamism. Aaaaaand that’s reminding me why I was looking at building out a LabWC environment, it has configurable snap zones.

I started dabbling in around 2000, getting sick of the instability of Windows, and it seeming like the next logical step of geekdom.

I tried a LOT of distros. Mandrake, Connectiva, Red Hat to Fedora Core, Slackware, Debian Woody, Crux, etc etc. I drifted in a Debian-centric circle until I finally landed on Arch. Lost my way for a bit during my IT career, supporting Windows I ended up just using that. But I’m back to Arch now as my daily, Debian for some networking projects, and a bit of Fedora from time to time when I need to spin something up quick.

You’re a lot more likely to find something at a local second hand store or garage sale, at least you would be in the US. Things online will usually have a markup, whereas locally you’re likely to find something someone just doesn’t know it’s worth a damn.

Not really for the purpose of this thread, since pretty much anything can do what OP is asking, but any idea how the Juno Tab compares to the Starlabs Starlite in regards to build quality, cooling, and what not? I noticed the other day that the Starlite has been updated with an N350 CPU. Though it is up to a $765 starting price…

Once or twice a year I start thinking it would be nice to have a tablet. Then within a month I wonder wtf I want a tablet for.

Yeah, though I’m looking more to have it as a home phone with my music and downloaded maps and stuff. I’ve gotten used to not having much of any cell service where I live, so I moved my number to jmp.chat (considering voip.ms instead), and don’t even turn on data most times I leave the house.

Graphene is great, I’ve been using it for a few years now. But I started wanting more storage, so looking towards the Fairphone and Shiftphone, which would require a move to Calyx or Lineage. That got me thinking about the state of AOSP, seeing Google being rather abusive towards FOSS, and I think Sailfish attracts me more that Ubuntu Touch at the moment. It seems to get a lot more development effort, and has the C2 as a more guaranteed first class citizen.

Now getting one to the US, that’s another question.

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This really puts some perspective on things. He’s clearly a goa’uld.

Is it offering SMS? I ported to jmp.chat recently, using their XMPP gateway for voice and SMS. They offer a VOIP option, but don’t support SMS.

I like being able to SMS, and I guess call, from my laptop. But there aren’t any Linux XMPP clients that I’m particularly happy with, so I’m just using Cheogram in Waydroid. It’s not exactly optimal.

I imagine it would be the likes of Graphene, Lineage, Calyx, and some others at the core. Probably some hardware vendors like Fairphone, Shiftphone, and probably a Xiaomi or Huawei.

Edit: ROMs maintain their own code base, but I’m pretty sure OP was talking about a larger fork of AOSP. That’s what I’ve suggested recently, anyway.

It might be because DSM-V was released in 2013.

I know, but this stuff is adding up where Pixels might stop being the golden child of the custom OS market.

And massive propaganda campaigns are turning people’s civic energy back on themselves, and their own communities. Ain’t life grand?

Pixel phones have been the general recommendation for de-googling, because they’ve been very friendly towards unlocking and running 3rd party ROMs, among other things. Graphene, Calyx, Iode, and e/OS are some of the more popular privacy/security centric ROMs. Lineage is another, but is more focused on compatibility for older phones. I’d try to run something that re-locks the bootloader, and to not run the device rooted.

Graphene is currently Pixel only, but Google has been making it more difficult to port to new devices, and to get the source to security patches in a timely fashion. They’re looking to release their own phone in 2026 or 2027.

The Fairphone is another option that has Calyx and others support. But the Fairphone 6 is new and not really supported anywhere but stock and e/OS right now. You can actually purchase straight from Murena with e\OS. Lineage is developing for it, and I know Calyx plans to support it. A lot of us aren’t fond of e/OS, but others love it. They do have their own ecosystem, which might make it easier to switch, but they don’t contribute much upstream from what I understand, so…

Shiftphone is another option out of Germany. Calyx has plans to support them, and probably some others. But they’re harder to get outside of Europe, and aren’t the focus of as much development as the more known Fairphone.

Calyx is on hiatus until February, so you can’t/shouldn’t install on anything right now, and support for Fairphone and Shiftphone is likely a ways out.

Volla Phone ships with their own de-googled OS. They’re also harder to get your hands on outside of Europe.

Finally, there are Linux phones that don’t run Android at all. Sailfish OS with the Jolla C2 is probably the most mature. Volla and some others can run Ubuntu Touch from UBPorts. Furi just released the FLX1s with a Linux-based OS, though it’s really an Android phone using the Halium compatibility layer. There are some other Linux phones as well, some of which are more hardware-centric with an expectation that people will target them with software, and Postmarket OS that supports running Linux on a number of phones.

Also keep in mind that a lot of these phones have limited bands supported, and so may not work well on your preferred carrier, or at all in your country. A lot of Linux phones also won’t support VoLTE or wifi-calling well or at all, just yet.

Oh, and there’s the Brax3, though I have no idea what to think about it.

It’s probably not a good idea to believe that. Even if they do fight for you behind closed doors, which I doubt, they will still have to bow to large governments for the sake of their shareholders. That’s the world we live in right now.

I’m on Graphene on a Pixel 8 right now, but I really don’t trust the overall direction that Google is pulling AOSP, nor the closed security chip in Pixel phones. I’m trying to decide if I want to stick with AOSP with a non-Pixel device, or give some form of non-Android Linux phone a shot. The Jolla C2 is looking intriguing, but getting one in the US isn’t the easiest thing. I’ve also considered a Shiftphone 8.1 and Fairphone 6, but I’d want to run Calyx, and the future is murky. The Shiftphone is also tricky to get in the US, as is Volla which comes with an AOSP OS without Google services.

Maybe they could make some similar arrangement with Shiftphone.