As they mention in the article they anticipated a much slower collapse and likely prepared for that. But at the rate it’s currently going, it’s quite astounding. The fragmentation and internal strife in Russia are certainly not over.
I did read one article that made a reference to this more being an “end of the beginning” rather than the “beginning of the end”. Which I agree with. It hasn’t collapsed the federation overnight, but it’s certainly weakened it a hell of a lot.
Living in Russia, I have mixed feelings about this slow controlled collapse TBF.
For Russia itself, maybe things being over after a couple of months (or years) of civil war starting in 1999 would be better.
But for everybody else, of course, there are bigger risks associated with that. Not really something nuclear even, just economically less pleasant.
Are you in Russia right now? How are things over there?
I really hate reportage like this. Every government, even seemingly incompetent ones like the current crop in the UK, have hundreds or thousands of contingency plans for things of wildly varying likelihood. This is just one of those things.
This is just as informative as those articles that say eating sugar triggers the same receptors as cocaine. Yes it’s true, but there aren’t that many reward mechanisms in the brain, so a lot of shit hits those same receptors.
It’s data and it’s true, but it’s not useful information.
We have a plan to invade literally every country and for if that country invades us that is updated regularly. I always found that kind of funny but it isn’t shocking.
Why would it be funny?
Having a plan for an unlikely event is not funny if having such a plan is your job. There are plenty of people who should do exactly that.
Because not having a plan for an unlikely event that bloody happens is, eh, negatively funny.
It’s like saying the police is preparing for thieves robbing the bank or the fire department preparing for a wildfire. It’s part of their job and it would be stranger not to have a contingency plan.
Consider the source. Pretty sure this is propaganda.
My body is ready
The anticipatory poop challenge part deux.
@DarkDarkHouse And my Axe
If you’re preparing for it, is it really that “unexpected”…?
You can be prepared for all kinds of things you aren’t expecting. For example you could get occupational disablement insurance while not expecting to ever use it.
Maybe they’re preparing for it so it won’t be unexpected
In their place i would rather prepare for scenario of unexpected collapse of United Kingdom.
Who says they have not prepared for that?
Considering their preparations for other things, like brexit or covid i would say LOL.
To be fair, it’s not exactly an unexpected scenario.
I would even say, desired.
Fuck, this is reddit people :-D
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you are refering to as Reddit, is in fact Lemm or as I have recently taken to calling it The+Fediverse …
I meant ‘this is reddit people commenting on lemmy’, which means the fun has begun
The world will be a better place when British regime falls, no question about that.
Implying that there is a current regime.
Correct, it’s a regime that bans public protest and tortures journalists. If one of the designated enemies was caught doing what UK is doing then you’d wast no time calling it a regime.
Very unlikely scenario. Expected collapse on the other hand…
I mean, collapse of Russia is something very much expected in Russia by many people since 1993.
What makes it less expected is that it hasn’t happened in 30 years, though.
It was made into a film called Children of Men.
Great movie and accurately depicts brexit
Plan for a possible possible eventuality? That’ll be a first.
I assume there was a plan that Cameron got rid of because reasons and now they can’t find the PDF so they’ll have to do it again.
Someone couldn’t rotate it so they just deleted it and pretended it never came.
Regardless of the article, using the term “unexpected” is kind of naive at this point.
I suppose it’s unexpected because Putin would rather bomb his own citizens than allow a change of status quo.
Honestly I doubt that Putin will fall from power that easily. He seems to take nots of precautions and he has lots of friends
Looks old now. He will probably die anyway.
Even if there’s no coup/revolution/he doesn’t get assassinated/etc.
He’s 70, and very possibly not in the best health. Statistically it wouldn’t be very surprising if he dropped dead of natural causes at any moment. Technically he’s already a small anomaly of a Russian male just because he has lived as long as he has since their average life expectancy is currently something like 65 (which is admittedly skewed very young by a whole lot of stuff like drinking, drug use, suicide, and being shipped off to Ukraine) And even if he beats all odds and lives another 30 years it still shouldn’t be unexpected for him to just decide to step down and retire at some point. Shit, if I had a fraction of the money and assets he has, I’d have called it quits a long time ago and disappeared from the public view.
And when he goes, no matter how he goes, there’s going to be a power vacuum that needs to be filled and a whole lot of assholes jockeying for position. I won’t pretend to know how that will go, maybe there will be all-out civil war, maybe just a handful of the right people will fall out of windows or drink polonium tea or just get disappeared, maybe there will be a major economic collapse and a rise in crime rates, maybe everything will just be hunky-dory and it really was just Putin holding everything back and Russia will enter a new age of enlightenment (it will probably not be that last one)
Am I missing something or did nothing in the article match the title?
I thought it was; maybe the link you got was to the front page, or something? The article was mostly about how Prigozhin’s attempted coup (or whatever it was) surprised Western leaders, and a bunch of speculation about how the West is scrambling to prepare contingemcy plans. So the one I read seemed to match.
However, I think it was a fluff article, with little substance. Prigozhin has been agitating for weeks, and I seriously doubt MI6 (or the CIA) was surprised by his actions. Or that nobody has a contingency plan for chaos in Russia. Putin’s a dictator, and when dictators die, it’s rarely a peaceful transition of power.
“Some people in UK government maybe consider thinking about doing something because something happened”. Much better title.
I know mexico is really worried…so they drink tequila and move on.
so they drink tequila and move on
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Aw shit here we go again
I sincerely do not understand why…
Maybe it’s your attitude and insulting manner? None of your arguments required your comments about “liberals”. Given those, it’s disingenuous to attribute the downvotes to your “facts”.
@frankyboi I better watch a documentary www.tromsite.com/documentaries…
Unexpected? I thought everyone was already expecting
UK should consider its own survival, instead of Russia’s, which is handling entire NATO’s microcosm pretty well.
Preparing for disasters is part of a county’s survival. What are you even talking about?
When the disaster is about to happen in your own country, you should take care of yourself first.
I wouldn’t hold your breath. The UK has had a stable political system longer than most countries have existed, and has weathered much worse situations than now.
Russia’s got form for instability. 3 revolutions in the 20th century, the collapse of the Soviet Union, a civil war, numerous wars with neighbours, 4 or 5 attempted coups that I can think of off the top of my head, plus the issues Russia usually has when transferring leadership. A new coup attempt isn’t a good sign.
UK has had a stable political system longer than most countries have existed
When UK empire has been the biggest imperialist leech in human history, and leeched India (the world’s richest country back then) for 2 centuries, they carry a lot of money thanks to that. However, their empire fell long ago, and Brexit has been a joke, as has been Elizabeth Truss’ PM tenure to the point nobody even knew she was PM.
I have no idea why you are trying to sell the idea of UK being more stable than Russia, a country with the strongest military, a supplier of gas and oil, and one that strengthened itself after all of NATO sanctioned them. Not to mention having strong relations with India and China at the same time.
Empire is irrelevant here, as it had very little bearing on the domestic political situation in the UK. Virtually all the British Empire became independent over just a few decades, at the same time that mass de-industrialisation happened domestically. Yet during this period elections still happened in the UK, power changed hands smoothly multiple times, there were no revolutions or coups, and even the IRA was at most an irritant. Despite the loss of empire and the rapid change in the workforce and makeup of the economic output of the UK, it still paid its bills, maintained a nuclear deterrent, integrated a large influx of ex-Empire immigrants, pioneered socialised healthcare in the West, and managed to grow its domestic economy at a reasonable rate almost all the way through. You’d be hard pushed to find another country that was as stable, given the specific challenges over that period.
Brexit was a mistake, and recent governments have been terrible, but don’t delude yourself into thinking those are existential crises for the UK. The government will get replaced without much fuss, the UK will patch up its relationship with the EU even if it doesn’t rejoin, and the wheels will keep turning.
Russia, a country with the strongest military You’re having a laugh? On the weekend they appeared to be the second best army in Russia when up against a band of mercenaries.
Western citizens are cute clowns, because they think a private mercenary group would last more than a day if Russia became serious.
Man the Tankies are even more annoying here on Lemmy…
Ok eurochud
Oh boy, Russian shills on Lemmy.
Not a good look.
@Pacifist @TheAnonymouseJoker #Lemmy in general, and lemmy.ml in particular, is known for white-knighting for dictators tho, so this isn’t all too unexpected tbh
Although I guess in most cases they wait for the dictator to die first so that people forget how bad he was
yeah, this is the norm for lemmy, it’s balanced political takes that are the new look as more of the general populace come in.
You have had alot of pro NATO supremacist takes in the past 2 years. Why not highlight those instead of deleting your accounts?
