Is this one of those things we will look back at from the future and say: “I can’t believe that we did that?” like leaded fuel?

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    1 year ago

    I really don’t get the hate for electric stoves.

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      Is this regional, perhaps? In Manitoba, electric stoves are just sort of considered normal – largely because of the cost of electricity being so reasonable. The high end houses here all get fancy induction cooktops with the nice glass surface that’s so easy to clean, which is a huge draw versus a gas burner (the principal drawback being you need certain types of cookware, but if you’re building a fancy house, get fancy cookware…)

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        1 year ago

        I think electric stoves are more common in Canada (I’m Canadian too) but I see plenty of people saying they prefer gas stoves.

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          Part of the love for gas stoves is more or less cultural inertia, part of it is the fact that they are in some ways easier to use(the instant heat adjustment), part of it is sheer contrarianism, and part is some people worried about being able to cook even during a power outage.

          Electric is pretty normal all over Canada, what I’d like to see is induction take over the standard electric range.

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      There are reasons to prefer cooking on gas, but first let me state that the evidence is quite clear; gas stoves are bad for us and we should be phasing them out.

      • Temperature response. When you change the temp on a gas stove it’s instant (but then, induction stoves also have this benefit).

      • Predictable power. I can look at the size of the flames and know how high or low it is. Sure, the sensitivity of the dial or the size of the burner may vary between manufacturers, but that relationship between quantity/size of flames is something I can look at and intuitively figure out. Every electric stove is different. What does 5 mean on an electric stove? Damned if I know until I’ve had the chance to use it a few times.

      Is any of this enough to negate the health impacts? It shouldn’t be. Add efficiency on top of the health stuff and switching should be a no brainer. But then, many people’s only experience is older, shitty coil electric stoves. And those are really shit. I have one of those right now. It’s fictional and I hate it.

      Some people are going to question the science. Because people are naturally bad at science. Seriously, undergraduates spend almost as much time being trained to use methodology to overcome our natural stupidity as they do learning theory. Normal people are likely to think “my family has always used a gas stove and it hasn’t harmed us,” without thinking about how it had to compete with leaded paint, leaded gasoline, smoking, second hand smoke, asbestos, and a myriad of other harm factors we’re significantly further along in removing from our environment.

      And then there’s the ‘culture war’ idiots.

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    We have a propane stove due to being out in the middle of nowhere and the electric company taking 13 months to bring power to our lot. It was an expensive purchase, and I am not really looking forward to replacing it

    Could someone smarter give me the “Explain like I’m five” level of info I need to prioritize this replacement?

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      While waiting for electricity, cook outside on a BBQ or camp stove as much as possible and open windows for a cross draft when cooking inside.

      Once you have electricity, make sure you have a properly installed range hood that vents to the outside. Turn that fan on before lighting the stove and let it run for a little bit after.

      I remember reading somewhere that that deals with the vast majority of the issue.

      You can help out the range hood by using the back burners as much as possible.

      You can reduce the use of the stove quite dramatically with an electric kettle, a microwave, and things like crock pots, toaster ovens, and electric frying pans.

      One note on the BBQ: my wife does virtually all of her baking (breads, cakes, muffins, etc) on the BBQ, weather permitting.

      We are also in the middle of nowhere. While we’ve always had power, it was only recently upgraded from 30 amp service to “real” power.

      I hope your stove is one that runs without pilot lights. Pilot lights suck a lot of propane, and would have a proportional effect on emissions. When we switched away from pilot lights, out propane use went down from about 350 pounds a year to 250 or less.

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      Combustion byproducts (and gas leaks) in the house are really, really bad for your health. Should be at the top of your list health wise.

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        Thanks I will raise the priority a bit.

        It still likely means another year with it, but it is now on the list with the propane water heater (tried to replace this over the weekend but the electric unit I was sold was damaged and the store was closed for St. Jean Baptiste day.), and the digging of a well so I can stop buying bottled water for cooking and drinking - and pumping from the creek for washing.

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          Assuming it’s properly set up a gas water heater and gas furnace are not bad because they have proper ventilation. But a gas stove is much more open, and many people don’t run the exhaust fan because it’s too loud. If you’re stuck with it make sure you run the exhaust fan on high and I would even open the windows.

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            The water heater is the worst offender in our house. It was never intended to be fulltime use. But I am getting rid of it this weekend. The stove on the other hand will be at least a year.

            Our living situation is very different than most though. This wasn’t a choice. It took hydro 11 months to bring us power so we had no choice but to cut corners to make life somewhat livable in the absence of grid power or a budget for whole-house solar.

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          My grandparents died from carbon monoxide poisoning due to a propane stove (they were using it in their porch as a canning stove, to make pickles – carbon monoxide flooded the house). I’ve assuming you, at a minimum, have a carbon monoxide detector? Everything else coming from the stove kills you slowly.

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            Thanks. Sorry to hear about your grandparents. That is terrible.

            Ours is a proper stove installed by a gasfitter, not a little countertop camp stove. And we do have multiple CO meters around the house. The camping water heater is a bigger problem. But I am replacing that this weekend.

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              It was more than two decades ago now. I try to see some black humour in it now. How many people do you know who’ve died in a “tragic pickling accident”?

              Glad that you’re taking precautions. Learning from other people’s mistakes is a lot safer than learning from your own.