Same bullshit logic that helped many support the genocide of those “barbaric” Native Americans because some actually had the gall to attack the colonial invaders.
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The misunderstanding being that “your stuff is ours, actually”
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I wonder how few will draw some of the parallels of the colonial expansion in Australia and the West in general.
I love the types that say others should go back to where they come from ignoring their parents and grandparents were not that far removed from the boat that brought them here.
Then they don’t want to acknowledge that these groups were probably not that thrilled at being slaughtered and their kids taken away from them to make way for their colonial ancestors.
It’s a amazing trait to me that humans can hold such diabolically opposed ideas as the same truths for them.
Eurasian empires have been shaped by this for millenia. Nomadic horse tribes harass existing empire until it starts to crumble. Tribes annex land and establish new empire/ruling class and give up the nomadic lifestyle. New nomadic horse tribes show up and start harassing. Rulers who are only 1 or 2 generations removed from living a nomadic lifestyle and conquering call new group “barbarians” and “uncivilized” for their brutality. New horse tribes topple empire, rinse and repeat.
To list a few: Mongols, Turks, Huns, Scythians… It was like a revolving door until gunpowder showed up.
Each generation completely ignoring the atrocities of their forebears while also framing their successors as monsters. Tale as old as time.
Justifying current atrocities by pointing to previous atrocities misses the point.
The point is at some point it should stop. Yes, America and Australia and Europe and everywhere commit genocide, committed atrocities that are now considered war crimes, but responding to current calls for it to stop by making some attempted Gotcha at perceived hypocrisy is worse than saying nothing.
Edit: to be clear, my ancestors were monsters. What they did to the natives her in America is deplorable, and the fact that Andrew Jackson’s dickface is on anything but textbooks on the Trail Of Tears and lists of most evils leaders in recent history is a current stain on my country’s reputation. I don’t know enough about Scottish history beyond my ancestors coming to the US, but I’m pretty sure they were on the oppressed side of most engagements for a good long time. None of that changes that I think any people who commit genocide (except genocide of mosquitos) are monsters, and I want them to stop.
Some would point out the same before the Colonials came too. In the other examples it was all out war with promises of more, not treaties ignored when it became inconvenient or as bait to disarm.
There were also commitments made that are only starting to be honoured in some cases today.
It’s the atrocities from the higher standards of the “right God” Fearing and “more civilized” peoples that came to into replace everyone. There was no honour in it which was supposedly the basis of some of these societies They were supposed to be better often were not even for their times.
Unfortunately that’s a tale as old as time too…
After the Bronze age collapse, the nomadic Habi-ru people came out of the wilderness and conquered the Cannanite people who no longer had the protection of the Egyptian Empire.
Also, I’d say that the first dynasty that follows your example are the Gutians.
I wonder how few will draw some of the parallels of the colonial expansion in Australia and the West in general.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the western countries defending Israel start using that excuse themselves, once all the others fall apart
Oh and just checking, did you mean diabolically (evilly) or diametrically (opposite) opposed? Either works just wondering
Oh and just checking, did you mean diabolically (evilly) or diametrically (opposite) opposed? Either works just wondering
I kind of mean both. Is there a word that works for that?
Diabotricelly.
People also over-emphasize the importance of being born here.
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Yes. That land should be returned to the Canaanites.
…wait
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Not really the same. The natives would have to have the attitude of genocideing the colonizers
I have seen numerous examples of Israeli officials declaring genocidal intent of all Palestinians. I haven’t seen the reverse.
Ahhh a satire account. Hilarious keep up the good work
Hamas regularly admits they want to eliminate Israel is why it’s satire. Y’all are so thick and stuck on one train of thought
Israel in its current form should be eliminated. It’s an apartheid state. Until it changes by enfranchising the Palestinians that it has trapped in open air prisons (Gaza, West Bank) it has no right to carry on. I will never support an ethnostate that places the supremacy of one ethnicity over another. If we time traveled back would you say that apartheid South Africa deserved to continue as it was? Rhodesia?
It’s funny that you are wasting time defending Israel with that kind of defense. “Hamas regularly admits” – show me where? Here? Oops, that was just some of the many documented statements from Israeli officials declaring their genocidal intent. You know, the thing that is actually happening right now considering Israel has shut off food, water, electricity, and fuel into Gaza. When Netenyahu compares Palestinians to Amalek he is telling his hardcore right wing faction a very clear message. Maybe you didn’t understand it? Or, a worse thought, maybe you understand it perfectly and pretend otherwise?
Three one Israel apologized for and fired the official? There are certainly fake ones but there are a few real ones Israel has admitted to.
Hamas routinely declares they want to wipe out Israel is why it’s satire
Yeah aside from the official admitting it wasn’t.
“We demand the return of our hostages, which is why we’re going to bomb where our hostages are to fucking rubble”
Are the hostages even still alive? I somehow doubt that.
Real question is did they end up dying in one of the saturation bombings
I don’t think it matters which murderous asshole kills you. This trend of trying to assign more blame to one side is ridiculous. It’s civilians being caught in a war and that needs to stop.
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It might be relevant when Netanyahu is responsible for both sets of murderous assholes as well as the entire situation in general. Israel is the only party who can decide when civilians stop dying, and right now they are the sole party deciding to continue the carnage.
Edit: Not completely true actually. The US can pull the plug on Netanyahu’s war machine at any time, but our politicians have also decided the carnage must continue.
If not, it’s because Israel keeps wiping where they supposedly are off the map.
I get what you’re going for but if you want to be realistic, the hostage taker wouldn’t be surprised/upset in the third panel. Israel is undoubtedly committing war crimes but Hamas has made it pretty clear they don’t give a shit if Palestinian civilians die.
Like this?
Yea, except there should be like 50 hostages and one guy with a knife, and then the pink shirt guy blows them all to bits
Yes very good
Nah. In 4 they should be shooting both of them through the hostage.
I love the analogy if your loved one was being held at gun point, would you support the police firing through your loved one to kill the criminal? Yeah criminal is dead but like wtf.
Hey someone is robbing a bank, better blow it up. The customers and workers will die but at least we got the bank robber.
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Yeah, panel 5 should be pink/green high-fiving.
Also: bringing up “Deliberately killing hostages”
Hamas is like “yeah we do that, too, and we will do it again.”
Israel: we don’t give a shit about the lives of Palestinians
Hamas: We don’t either LOL
I get what you mean but it’s not because the terrorists don’t care if you kill the hostages that you can kill them
Seeing as how Israel isn’t letting civilians leave the war zone, there’s plenty more human shields to choose from!
Israel has made it pretty clear they consider everyone in Gaza to be their military enemy.
Just to bound my mind to yours
Israel has made it pretty clear they consider everyone in Gaza, Palestine, and not agree with them, to be their
militaryenemy.Agreed. Hamas has explicitly said the same for all of Israel, unfortunately.
how Israel isn’t letting civilians leave the war zone
Neither is Hamas.
True true
Wow, Israel is doing the same as a terrorist group. That must mean that Israel are the good guys.
Great argument!
Hamas could let their people South and no one gets hurt. If Israel lets Palestinians across the border into Israel, Hamas will sneak in with them and kill lots of Israelis. Can you not see the difference?
Then go tell the artist to change the facial expression if it bothers you so much
You mean the original artist who didn’t add flags to the image? Or do you mean OP who I did (jokingly) suggest that to…?
It didn’t sound look like you were joking.
You can’t just perfectly sum up a very complex geo-politocal issue in 1 meme like this, but you did anyway
First panel is straight up nazi propaganda. Completely buying into the ‘human shields’ narrative the zionists use as an excuse to deliberately murder civilians
Yep, they said the same thing when they would bomb neighborhoods in Iraq and kill dozens of civilians, that they were being used by insurgents or whatever. It is decades old propaganda always used against any non-state militant group.
And thats the true,
Nah
Admitting Hamas is holding civilians hostage isn’t the win you think it is.
What makes you think OP is pro-Hamas?
No one with half a brain is pro hamas. This conflict isn’t a binary.
It’s possible to think killing civilians is wrong, no matter who is doing it.
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I am so tired of hearing anti-Semite during all of this. Being Jewish does not shield anyone from the consequences of their actions, or the actions of their government or people. It’s not a get out of jail free card.
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Does ‘criticizing the UN and the West for doing nothing to enforce peace’ include criticizing them for creating the conflict in the first place?
They’re sure not trying to criticise them, are they?
No one is winning in this situation.
I’m kind of confused by this comment. I think Hamas has been pretty open about the fact that they have hostages and I haven’t heard anyone attempt to argue that they didn’t take hostages or don’t still have some. There have been videos on many news sources either published by Hamas themselves featuring hostages angry at the government for dropping bombs where they are and I have seen videos published by mainstream news sources showing the release of some hostages by Hamas. I’m also confused about the framing of this being an attempt by OP to “win” something.
From my perspective, ending the carnage and lifting the illegal siege would be a win both for all the innocent Palestinian men, women, and children whose lives are in jeopardy and the innocent Israeli civilians whose lives are also on the line due to the IDF’s wanton recklessness with innocent lives in general. I would also consider it a win if the Israeli people do what the majority of Israelis have been wanting to do and rid themselves of the menace that is Benjamin Netanyahu and his extremist right-wing Likud party so the people can get back to the work of ensuring equal rights of all people in the area regardless of race to lay the groundwork for a modern nation not constantly at war with itself. What are you trying to win?
I’m talking more about how they’re quite openly using their own people as human shields, and don’t seem to care particularly much if they get hurt.
This phrase is the most ridiculous “get out of jail free” card I have ever witnessed a genocidal regime attempt to deploy. It doesn’t make sense at all. The IDF murdered 4000 children because they claim Hamas typically stands behind people, therefore bombing any civilian anywhere has some chance to also get someone from Hamas hiding behind them? Almost 11,000 Palestinians dead and many times more being sent on a death march because Hamas only exists standing behind all Palestinians who live in Gaza oooooooor the West Bank which is occupied by the IDF and ostensibly governed by the Palestinian Authority who oppose Hamas? Would you be ok with the police shooting through your family because the criminal they were after ran behind them to use as cover? Would you still be ok with it if they just had a suspicion that the criminal was hiding behind your family because that’s what they generally do and won’t even confirm if they actually were? If it’s not ok to do that to your family but it is ok to do to an innocent Palestinian family, why is that?
You could just as easily have written a mini diatribe about how Hamas shouldn’t be building bases under hospitals, but instead you go after Israel for trying to get at them.
Why is that?
Since you’ve avoided directly responding to me again, I’ll assume that you’ve ceded your previous two arguments. Keep them coming. Israel isn’t even trying to make sense, they are just relying on group identity and reactionary tendencies.
Why is that?
Because Benjamin Netanyahu went against the democratic will of the people of Gaza to install Hamas into leadership and prevent all future elections to severely impede the legal process of establishing a secular Palestinian state. Israel is and has been in control of this situation. Israel has the power to decide whether or not the occupied Palestinians will ever have rights in their own land, and Palestinians lack the power to decide anything for Israel or even for themselves. This is not an evenly matched “both sides” situation. Hamas is there to be Israel’s excuse to ethnic cleanse the land they want to seize because they can successfully convince people that every man, woman, and child of Palestinian ethnicity is synonomous with Hamas and therefore is a valid target.
The IDF just claimed that a calendar with the days of the week written on it in arabic was a list of Hamas guards right on CNN when every arabic reader could see through the lie immediately. The IDF makes false claims all the time, so I won’t believe their claim of the Hamas HQ as valid until they provide actual evidence. This being the case, if they know where the Hamas HQ is, why not send special forces to go execute a strike as a normal modern nation would do? Why instead kill civilians at such high rates it would make more sense if they were deliberately trying to avoid hitting Hamas as the IDF themselves admitted to at least a 70% civilian casualty rate with more realistic estimates by objective bodies being closer to 90% civilian casualties? Why are they bombing everything that could sustain life in Gaza if not to force the entire population out so they can seize the land as they’ve always been very open about wanting to do? Why install a bunch of crazies, refuse to negotiate with any Palestinians because of the Hamas they installed, and then harass and murder the civilian population in the Gaza strip for years so that they would be certainly eliminated in the long term unless they risk fighting back in the short term?
