You gotta stop counting total users. Only active users should be counted. We know there’s utterly massive numbers of bots being created. Plus people have multiple accounts from trying out different instances even if they’ll only use one.
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True. I’ve created at least 4, myself.
People love vanity metrics, though.
Look, I’ve quit Reddit because fuck spez, and now have confirmation bias that needs answering. Just…let me have this.
True, I have 9 accounts so far between instances… I don’t think I’ll make anymore I’m quite comfortable now, but yeah, I inflated the stats. Sorry…
Daily active users is a much more reliable statistic due to bots
Source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats
Yup, came here to say that as well. it’s al bots. The active users graph is much more realistic.
And I’ve been seeing some…odd looking… comments recently from users at instances known for being mostly bots. Some of these comments really look AI generated, and have a suspicious number of upvotes.
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Yeah theres no way lemmy instances that were struggling to scale 2 weeks ago with a few thousand users active are supporting 2.5mill suddenly
Still showing rather healthy growth!
Just wait until Apollo/RIF/etc actually go dark!
I’m waiting for when I open sync for reddit and see a link to sync for lemmy
The web app wefwef.app is actually a really great alternative to apollo for lemmy! I’m using it right now on android, and while it does feel weird with the ui differences it has gestures and the same interface and generally feels really good.
thank you . I like it.
Yeah once the first hits we’re gonna see a huge spike in users. The growth right now is just from people who deleted their accounts in protest on the 12th.
I stopped “protesting” once it was obvious that reddint doesn’t care. I’ll obviously stop using the site once they cut me off though.
Most never stopped using reddit, but rather used reddit in unsavory ways. Goating all the new rules from blasphemy to nsfw to indefinitely private has had a lot of effect. I mean InterestingAsFuck still has no mods after the admins axed the whole sub. They’re not ready for modless chaos. We won’t see them double back until possible August, then it’ll be too late and the folks will not want to come back. That’s my prediction.
wow! look at those bots go! go speed racer!
Good to see, but as with all posts like this, it’s important to note that the really important number is “Active Users” That number has gone up significantly as well, just not as fast as number of accounts.
Yeah this is a good point.
It took me months to actually start using Lemmy and Mastodon. I would consider myself a tech savvy person and it still took a while getting used too. I think there need to be better tutorials linked on the sign-up pages that help people understand the basic concepts. That would help drive true user acquisition.
I just started with mastodon. Lemmy I’m pretty understanding at but do you have any people/ hashtags you reccomend following on mastodon to not make the whole place feel so small and repetitive? I’m interested in pretty much anything.
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If two instances are federated you can access communities on both from either instance.
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Do you need to for some reason? You can subscribe, comment, and post to any community that’s federated with your home instance.
If you’re on Lemmy.ml and the comm you want to sub to us on Lemmy.world, you should be able to find and subscribe in the “communities” section. As long as it’s filtered for all communities and not just your “local” instance.
Ribbits
Subscribe pending is a bug, you are subscribed, it just says pending for some reason. I am still pending on a community that I moderate.
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You join one, you can see, post on, comment on, and subscribe to communities on any server it is federated with. Beehaw.org defederated itself from sh.itjustworksl and lemmy.world a couple weeks ago which is making it confusing for some people. If you are on beehaw.org you can still see old posts on those two from when they were federated, but nothing new and you’re comments on those old posts won’t be posted for other servers to see, and vica versa for sh.itjustworks and lemmy.world users.
You can make an account on beehaw as well if you want, but it gets a bit confusing as to which one you are logged into sometimes.
As a lemmy.world user I type “lemmy.world” into my address bar and do all my browsing from there. You can change your page to look at “all” instead of “local” and see content from all instances it is federated with. Or you can go to “communities” and filter by “all” and see all communities from any instance it is federated with. (As long as one of the lemmy.world users has visited that instance at one point)
No reason to make multiple accounts unless you really want some content from a defederated instance, like beehaw.
What’s considered an “Active User”?
A person who posted/commented in the last 30 days
From the docs: "Lemmy also shows counts of active users for your site, and its communities. These are counted within the last day, week, month, and half year, and are cached on starting up lemmy, and every hour.
An active user is someone who has posted or commented on our instance or community within the last given time frame. For site counts, only local users are counted. For community counts, federated users are included."
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html
I’ve posted more in the week I joined here than I ever did in Reddit.
So 1 time?
Just checked. Yup, one post. Still helping the fediverse in my book.
No worries, you absolutely are! Every bit counts.
maybe wee_butterfly didn’t retain memories from when was a wee_caterpillar
some of us might be lurkers and are just here for reading
First post, post-Reddit 🥴
I’m enjoying sitting here with popcorn and watching Reddit burn. It’s like viewing someone destroy their company in real-time.
WE LIVE BABY
How much is bots tho
My spez comic got over 1.5mil views advertising Lemmy yesterday and at least #12 on r/all so I’m hopeful they’re not all bots too :P
You sir are a legend
Thank you for the compliment.
More than 12
i’ve only been on the platform for a few days but i’ve noticed a decent uptick in content and unique posts. probably still a lot of bots but with a decent surge of users and people getting a handle on the platform there’s been a good bit of activity.
yea track the monthly active users number. It continues to go up. And on lemmy, to be “active”, a user actually has to post, not just sign in and lurk.
Conversely, kbin doesn’t really track active users, so it’s more or less the same as total users.
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Oooo, is it you? ;)
Where!?
In your area. They already said.
Yes
Are any of these accounts bots?
Or maybe how many of these accounts are bots?
Are they all bots?
Around 95% accounts are bots. Around 90% if we are positive and assume that a lot of redditors joined since the bot farming started.
So what are the Bots doing? Who created them and why? I don’t understand the purpose of bots.
Currently nothing but once activated they may start spamming stuff everywhere. Owners can decide what gets upvotes and what gets downvotes which gives you a lot of power on a platform where downvotes/upvotes mean everything.
Still don’t get it - someone makes a comment, bots upvote it so it gets seen by more people. Not really going to change the world.
Sure, but do you like ads that masquerade as posts? Because if you do then you’ll love the delicious taste of Diet Coke, grab one today! (16900 upvotes)
Oh boy, I, for one, love the taste of Diet Coke, the perfect refreshing drink when you and your family watch my new movie, “Barbie”, only in theaters July 21st.
Companies advertising on here through AMA’s should also be prevented because it’s just advertising
They don’t want to change the world. They want to let you know about hot singles in your area
I don’t see what the problem is here…
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Not really going to change the world.
It will change enough minds on enough issues that this can be both very profitable and very significant for those using this for some kind of benefit to themselves or their organization. This is not a small effect when doing this on a large social media site (which isn’t Lemmy yet).
So what are the Bots doing?
Many of them are doing nothing so far.
No doubt they are available for sale to some company or individual that wants to buy them wholesale and start spamming or astroturfing.
Who created them and why?
People wanting to sell them for $$ mostly. In some cases, people biding their time to use them for mass spam, social misdirection, opinion forming, etc.
I don’t understand the purpose of bots.
In social media, a common and concerning use of them is to use them wholesale (comments, posts, and votes) to try and sway mass opinion on some issue to something the person responsible for the bots wants.
Thats seems bad. I know some bots are hepful. But 1 million bots seems like they for something nefariously.
Yeah, I hope that people farming them are just trolling the fediverse and don’t plan on using them.
Lol trolling is bad. A bot army could make things miserable here.
Trolling in the sense making people freak out while not doing anything with those bots. That’s what I’m hoping for although it’s improbable.
Like trying to keep people on reddit?
Or just too generally troll the fediverse.
I’d go to Facebook first
If it’s anything like Reddit’s bots, they’ll probably post copy-pasted comments to gain upvotes, then they’ll start spamming advertisements and scams once they have a good amount.
I’m just afraid that these bots are bascially here to sabotage lemmy.
The fediverse is so awesome, there is no way big social media corps can play nice in the long term.
I would not be surprised if that’s what they’ll try to do, especially with Facebook apparently trying to enter the fediverse. They’ll probably try to destroy the instances that aren’t part of a big corporation.
I’m hoping their project (and other companies’ similar projects) never takes off.
Are any of these accounts bots?
About 2.45 million of the 2.5 are, yes.
As i suspected.
I’m no bot and joined 6 days ago :)
Welcome friend.
Yes unfortunately but lemmy is still growing
I’m going to link my comment because I don’t want to rewrite it for everyone I reply to where it is relevant
Thanks for the reply!
And I totally agree.
Man, so much has changed. Glad I made the switch to Lemmy.
I barely touch Reddit nowadays, I never thought that’d be possible…
Seems like it ink needs a stupid AF CEO to achieve that!
Yeah I just found out about this project/the fediverse, been looking for several weeks for the best replacement to Reddit and this is by far the most promising. Also, as a self-hosting enthusiast, I’m liking this place more and more by the minute. With any luck increased visibility will continue to push activity & content. Power to the people.
It’ll take a while for the volume to trickle down to the smaller more niche communities, but I have already seen the volume increase tremendously in the large ones. Let’s enjoy the ride.
(Lemmy.world) server:
There was a pretty big jump in active instances, too!
Active daily user count is about 50k.
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I’m gonnastep on the gas TONIGHT I’LL FLY
Push push
It shows 50,000 active users per day compared to 2,500,000 total users per day. Most of the difference, presumably, is dormant bot accounts. If they were all activated and started posting one day, they could probably bring the network down.
I’m confused though by the active comments per day being about 100 times the active users per day. Surely users are not commenting 100 times per day on average. Is there something wrong with how the comments are being counted?
The posts count also looks a bit odd, since it means active users are making more than 10 posts a day on average. That seems implausibly high.
“average user posts 100 times per day" actualy just statistical error. average user posts 0 times per day. Feddi Georg, who lives in cave & posts over 10,000 each day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted
That and some of the active users are also bots. Lemmit.online is a good example; that community is set up to harvest content from Reddit via RSS and then Bots post it into the community. Other users (including bots) can then cross post it to other parts of the Threadiverse. “Lemmit.Online Bot” has made 20.1k posts in 7 days.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there are also hyperactive comment bots out there too.
It’s still an average. The mean average precisely. The modal average is most likely zero but the median average is probably greater than zero.
Also, average comments per day was rising fast but as of today it has suddenly slowed down? I’m guessing there must be some kind of bug in the system
Lemmy.world doesn’t synchronized with other instances. Every comments and posts lemmy.world users do are not seen by the other instances. Why? Lemmy.world is still on 0.17, and the other instances are on 0.18 for the majority
Thanks so much for the explanation. It was very confusing why my posts to startrek were not seen by anybody. I guess I will hold off on lemmy.world for awhile.
50k active users is still pretty damn good growth. Weren’t we at like 40k just a week or so ago?
