Hamas has spent years stockpiling desperately needed fuel, food and medicine, as well as ammo and weapons, in the miles of tunnels it has carved out under Gaza.

Hamas has spent years stockpiling desperately needed fuel, food and medicine, as well as ammo and weapons, in the miles of tunnels it has carved out under Gaza.

  • Grant_MEnglish
    2119·
    1 year ago

    Because as we know, cowardly Hamas terrorists only use civilians as shields. Hamas are scum.

      • Grant_MEnglish
        1411·
        1 year ago

        I’m talking about October 2023.

          • danhakimi@kbin.socialOP
            37·
            1 year ago

            Well no, not really, the thread is about Hamas and you are the first one to bring up Israeli terrorism.

            But it’s not like Jewish violence in the region predates Muslim violence. The pogroms have been going since at least the 1920s. Things escalated. Nobody is saying Hamas was the start, but Hamas is the biggest problem right now.

            • BabyWah@lemmy.world
              4·
              1 year ago

              So WHY didn’t you go after them when you had the chance 20 years ago? Why even prop them up to be elected and then ban all elections? Why allow them to grow and be subsidised to even get to this level. Why allow them to build tunnels?

              WHY with your almighty army and tech and effing dome don’t you enter the tunnels now? I saw the maps, you know where they are, why? If Ukraine can use drones, keep civilian casualties at minimum level and treat their prisoners of war with dignity, why can’t you?

              Because ‘we value human life?’ You only value yourselves. You are the Nazis at this point of time and history will remember this as the most ironic thing ever.

              • danhakimi@kbin.socialOP
                14·
                1 year ago

                Yes, because Jews value human life, asshole. Israel has been trying a variety of solutions. The occupation of Gaza wasn’t working too well in 2003, Hamas had been starting to fire rockets. So Israel hoped that, by unilaterally withdrawing Gaza, allowing them to hold elections, wishing that democracy might establish a Palestinian partner for peace, and they literally elected Hamas to their government.

                They are entering the tunnels, stupid. Even though they’re long and winding and loaded with booby traps, they are going into the tunnels, they are doing everything they can to target Hamas.

                Israel does use drones. It does work to keep civilian casualties to a minimum, but Gaza city is densely populated and Hamas refuses to let civilians evacuate.

                And I’m not going to engage with anybody who pulls the “Jews are Nazis” trope out. Man, you have no idea what a Nazi is. You think the Nazis suffered an attack on their civilians in the middle of a ceasefire, called the attacker, and politely asked them to evacuate the base they attacked from before striking back? No, you just wanted the world to know how antisemitic you were.

            • Deceptichum@kbin.social
              41·
              1 year ago

              Jewish violence in the region literally predates Muslim violence, Judaism came hundreds of years before Islam.

              The biggest problem right now is Israel. step one is for them to stop murdering thousands of children.

              • danhakimi@kbin.socialOP
                12·
                1 year ago

                Jewish violence in the region literally predates Muslim violence, Judaism came hundreds of years before Islam.

                Alright, I guess we’re being pedantic now.

                Jews got expelled from the region and kept out of it by various European and Arab powers until they started buying land back in the late 1800s. From that point on, Jewish violence was not the start of violence in the region, it was Muslim violence and Muslim unwillingness to coexist with Jews. It ramped up well before 1987, well before 1948.

                The biggest problem right now is Israel. step one is for them to stop murdering thousands of children.

                Israel is not targeting children. Hamas is using them as human shields. The “3000” number is from Hamas—it includes victims of rocket misfires, and also is a straight up lie, just like their count of the victims at Al-Ahli hospital was a lie. Yes, there are still too many children dying, and yes, too many of them still die as a result of Israeli air strikes. This is the main reason Israel wanted them to be evacuated. Every other country evacuates civilians from war zones, but Hamas cannot allow that, or else the statistics might not favor them. They use propaganda and physical force to keep Palestinian children in buildings that are specifically targets for bombs.

                Hamas is, by far, the biggest problem in the region.

          • Grant_MEnglish
            611·
            1 year ago

            Sure. But was that a good reason for Hamas to murder civilians? Was it a good reason for Hamas to murder civilian citizens of Canada, US, UK and many other countries? FUCK NO. Hamas needs to be completely eradicated – PERIOD

                  • Grant_MEnglish
                    69·
                    1 year ago

                    I don’t support terrorists. That’s why Hamas has to be crushed.

            • BabyWah@lemmy.world
              31·
              1 year ago

              So go in the effing tunnels and eliminate them, nobody is holding you back. You’d be doing everyone a favour.

              Right now you’ve just killed 7000/8000 civilians and only what, five or so of them were so called Hamas? Israel is really bad at this war thing and I’m starting to think about all of the hard talk and perfect defense system, Mossad etc … were just plain lies. Perception and so on…

              You can even tell by the way the troops stand that they have really no idea what real combat is. That’s why you are levelling everything from afar with bombs, you know they have no chance one on one.

              It’s simple, stop killing, bombing civilians and start showing us what you’re made of.

            • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
              21·
              1 year ago

              Imagine you have never had enough to eat, imagine you have to spend 2-4 hours a day just going through checkpoints to get to your brutal low paying 8 or 10 or 12 hour job to support your family, imagine you live with six other families all crammed together in a single building. You never had a chance to go to secondary education, you never had a chance to learn an accredited trade skill, you don’t even have a legitimate passport, you have no hope and no future and your life expectancy is 40 and its exactly the same for your kids.

              Then imagine your wife, your children, your brother, your sister, your nieces and nephews, and all the other people you live with in your building were all brutally murdered in an Israeli air strike. You sacrificed your entire life to provide for them and now they’re all dead.

              I’d kill myself. What about you?

              • Grant_MEnglish
                2·
                1 year ago

                Again this still doesn’t justify terrorist Hamas’s brutal murders of civilians.

                • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
                  12·
                  1 year ago

                  You aren’t really imagining it, I can tell. That’s okay. Imagining life in a concentration camp is hard.

                  Try. What would you do?

                  • danhakimi@kbin.socialOP
                    1·
                    1 year ago

                    Imagine being so depraved that your response is to go to a concert full of teenagers, kill as many as you possibly can, raping a few, and then bringing back whatever hostages you could fit on your bike. Civilians! Intentionally targeting civilians! Yeah, that’ll make things better.

                  • Grant_MEnglish
                    1·
                    1 year ago

                    Hamas needs to stop holding Gazans as prisoners.

        • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
          139·
          1 year ago

          Well, there’s your problem. Source

          “It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum,” Guterres said. “The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation. They have seen their land steadily devoured by settlements and plagued by violence; their economy stifled; their people displaced and their homes demolished. Their hopes for a political solution to their plight have been vanishing.”

          • Grant_MEnglish
            78·
            1 year ago

            NOTHING makes it okay to perform the terrorist murders Hamas did.

              • Grant_MEnglish
                64·
                1 year ago

                I stand with Palestinian and Israeli civilians and hope they can find leaders who want a solution after Hamas is eradicated.

                  • Grant_MEnglish
                    63·
                    1 year ago

                    Agree. Netanyahu holds a huge responsibility for making Hamas terrorists able to do what they have done. Fuck Netanyahu and his far right government.

                  • danhakimi@kbin.socialOP
                    21·
                    1 year ago

                    Well, ideally by the electoral process, but absolutely. I personally think the Olmert proposal would have been fantastic, but Abbas knew that Hamas would never let him get away with it.

            • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
              105·
              1 year ago

              You and I can’t imagine what life is like in occupied Palestine. Who am I to judge how oppressed people choose to resist. I don’t have that right, having never been in their shoes.

              Nelson Mandela-

              I and some colleagues came to the conclusion that as violence in this country was inevitable, it would be wrong and unrealistic for African leaders to continue preaching peace and non-violence at a time when the government met our peaceful demands with force. It was only when all else had failed, when all channels of peaceful protest had been barred to us, that the decision was made to embark on violent forms of political struggle.

              If you’re curious and want to understand the conflict better, Vice did a deep dive into the conflict.

            • kaffiene@lemmy.worldEnglish
              32·
              1 year ago

              Nothing justifies it. But there are plenty of reasons that explain it. Abusing someone doesn’t justify them murdering their abuser, but it sure as hell explains it. When I poke a dog I may not feel that it’s legally justified in biting me, but I’m hardly surprised.

              • Grant_MEnglish
                1·
                1 year ago

                Hamas terrorists murdered children in cold blood. Cut their little heads off. STOP SUPPORTING HAMAS TERRORISTS

        • ArxCyberwolf
          11·
          1 year ago

          Rafa is a moron. Pay them no attention, they’re always making incredibly braindead takes.

        • dumdum666@kbin.social
          104·
          1 year ago

          He is suggesting that you are a nazi.

          Ruzzia and Hamas are best buddies - of course the Hamas Apologists on Lemmy will not contradict the Ruzzian narrative of Ukraine being Nazis since THEMSELVES are claiming that Israelis are Nazis.

          • danhakimi@kbin.socialOP
            31·
            1 year ago

            I’m not OP, and OP said:

            Because as we know, cowardly Hamas terrorists only use civilians as shields. Hamas are scum.

            I got the skinhead implication, but…

            Oh! I see! I thought rafa was saying that rafa was a supporter of Ukraine and Israel, that’s the logic I missed. Yeah, I’m familiar with the old trope of accusing Jews of being Nazis.