• Windex007@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    The pedestrian in the video wasn’t paying attention to what was going on on the street. They had their hood up so they couldn’t see traffic, were looking perpendicular to the traffic at all times, and had their earbuds in so they couldn’t hear.

    It’s such a bizarre perspective to look at safety from a “fault” or “blame” perspective. It isn’t about right, wrong, justice, or entitlement… If the choice is being “right” or being “dead”.

    It’s entirely the drivers fault.

    That doesn’t imply that people shouldn’t be actively involved in their own safety… By doing the most basic actions of merely using their eyes and ears.

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      8 months ago

      It’s the responsibility of the individual to be aware for their own safety. Nobody else is gonna do it for them. In pedestrian vs car, pedestrian loses every time.

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        8 months ago

        I don’t know about you, but as a child I was taught pedestrians have right of way but to look both ways, etc. When I learned to drive, I was never taught that I should rely on either pedestrians or other drivers to always behave predictably. Literally the opposite. Where I’m at, people were even taught to slow down at crosswalks regardless of whether someone is there. (Maybe that part isn’t universal, though?) The one in the fast-moving vehicle naturally has primary responsibility.

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          People can choose to stand on moral high ground and say pedestrians have the right of way, or just realize all it takes is one distracted driver to either end their life, or change their life permanently with a serious injury.

          Never something I’d ever trust another human with when it comes to my life.

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            People can choose to stand on moral high ground and say pedestrians have the right of way, or just realize all it takes is one distracted driver to either end their life

            You can and should do both.

            And when a collision happens, the blame should lie on the person operating the heavier vehicle unless proven otherwise.

            Education campaigns should reflect this: they should primarily focus on reminding drivers that they are operating a vehicle that can easily maim and kill, so they must be in the lookout for vulnerable road users such as pedestrians.

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              You can and should do both.

              I really feel like this is exactly what happened in the video. The driver was like “oh shit, I should have been paying attention”, and the pedestrian was like “oh shit, I should have been paying attention”

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                  Literally nobody doesn’t understand that.

                  The question at hand is if it appropriate to remind people that paying attention when you’re crossing the street, because a driver may be distracted, is an appropriate thing to do.

                  Apparently, for some people the answer is a resounding “no”, with a slight resonating harmonic of “and how dare you”

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                    Literally nobody doesn’t understand that.

                    And yet we see drivers speeding on a daily basis in densely populated areas with tons of foot traffic. Several pedestrians have been killed in the past decade in an intersection next to where I live. No, they were not “jaywalking”, in every instance the drivers were speeding and ran over people on the sidewalk.

                    Apparently, for some people the answer is a resounding “no”, with a slight resonating harmonic of “and how dare you”

                    Perhaps being part of the community of people who are being killed has something to do with it.

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              And when a collision happens, the blame should lie on the person operating the heavier vehicle unless proven otherwise.

              So when a pedestrian steps into traffic while messing around on the phone and there’s no evidence, of course they’ll deny doing anything wrong.

              They’d be insane to do otherwise. So, we just blame the driver?

              Take some responsibility people.

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                So, we just blame the driver?

                Have you looked at official municipal statistics for who is at fault in pedestrian fatalities? Because I did and the yearly reports consistently show the driver being at fault in 75%-80% of the cases.

                Take some responsibility people.

                Indeed, indeed.

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                  You said unless proven otherwise. I was going with your hyperbole. Maybe you should’ve gone with facts first instead and said “where fault is proven, the driver should be blamed?” And infact that’s already the case. Shocking!

                  But that sounds too reasonable for online.

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                    You said unless proven otherwise

                    I was referring to the burden of proof in the law. In my opinion blame should be placed on the heavier vehicle by default unless proven otherwise. Some jurisdictions like the Netherlands do exactly that. It makes drivers more cautious and it protects vulnerable road users.

                    And given that statistically drivers tend to be found at fault in pedestrian and cyclist fatalities even in Canada, there is even more reason to put the blame on them by default, in the absence of data to the contrary.

                    The law should protect the vulnerable. Shocking, I know.