Iran has told Israel through the UN that it will intervene if the country’s operations against Hamas in Gaza continue, a report has claimed.
Israel has warned 1.1 million people living in the north of the enclave to evacuate ahead of an expected ground operation in Gaza with the IDF planning to strike the territory from land, sea and air.
Iran’s involvement could be through a militant group from Syria or by backing Hezbollah to join the conflict, diplomatic sources told Axios.
Meanwhile, Iran’s foreign minister Hossein Amirabdollahian said that Israel’s operations could cause fighting to expand to other areas of the Middle East which would cause Israel to suffer “a huge earthquake”, reported the Associated Press.
I thought I was too late to invest in war companies, but perhaps that was premature.
Doesn’t that seem unethical, even if it might be lucrative?
If it’s good enough for elected US representatives, it’s good enough for me.
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Yeah but they answered their own question. If it’s lucrative, it’s unethical.
The true answer is unequivocally yes. Fuck everyone who says otherwise trying to justify this ghoulish shit.
I would argue the whole system is unethical. Capitalism has never bothered itself with ethics. That said, it’s arguably even more unethical.
Ethics are a social construct and are subjective. Thus - irrelevant.
Only irrelevant if you don’t live in a society.
Irrelevant in any case. Unless you live in a conservative close minded society and never see any people from other cultures.
Only irrelevant if you don’t live in a society.
Irrelevant in any case. Unless you live in a conservative close minded society and never see any people from other cultures.
Not really, people have a right to defend themselves, and security is a human right.
Defending yourself? Of course that’s a right. Making bank from WAR? Probably not.
Well, what in the hell are you supposed to defend yourself with if no one makes weapons!? What kind of fucking logic is that?
That’s not what I’m saying tho? You’re twisting my words.
I’m not saying no one should make weapons. I’m saying no one should be able to make lots of money by exploiting the suffering of others (which is in this case, war).
Oh come on, wth is lots of money? And where do you draw the line at some money being made?
Not really at the moment, given how the critical conflicts right now seem to be Israel vs Hamas and Ukraine vs Russia. Western arms companies are in the rare situation where they are on the more good side right now.
Stares at casualties in Palestine yeah… No.
Step 1: go outside
Step 2: touch grass
Dunno why anyone would downmod this
Because when the grass is burning, it’s kind of hard to touch it.
So you expect that at some point in the future of mankind, there will be a period with no active conflict and weapons snuggling? 😂 my sweet child…
I think snuggling weapons is weird but one of the best uses for them
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Naruto in a nutshell
My mad smuggling, but snuggling also works I guess 😎
weapons snuggling
I wish
There’s always a lot of weapons snuggling going on in the US.
Elsewhere… It varies, but typically, not so much.
So you expect that at some point in the future of mankind, there will be a period with no active conflict and weapons snuggling?
As soon as we can learn to share resources and land.
I wish… Archeology shows, that people have been killing people since before proper tribes where formed. Call me a pessimist, but i don’t see a future where we truly learn to life peacefully.
Well I think of humanity as a “work in progress”, improving over the ages, so my hopes are that we grow up out of killing each other instead of sharing resources and land.
Well, I certainly hope you are right
You and me both.
From a Sci-Fi show about dyson spheres and habitats: “Where man goes, war will follow.” Made me sad, because I guess it’s true.
So this could widen to Israel/USA/UN(?) vs Iran/Syria/Lebanon(Hezbollah)/Gaza(Hamas) which would essentially be The War on Terror II. Which means another ~20yrs in the Middle East. Oh goody.
Raytheon💦
Lockheed 📈📈📈
time to invest in knife missiles
And time to short children in busses and weddings.
The ones that shoot little knives from inside
Just what the world needs. I am getting some faint WWI vibes too. Maybe I am just being paranoid. But it seems like this could expand to more middle eastern countries than you’ve listed, should things go horribly wrong. I could also see this being turned into another proxy war—revenge by Russia for Western support for Ukraine.
I’m worried it might go further than that and devolve into a full-blown WWIII. I know that may seem far-fetched, especially since Israel isn’t technically part of NATO, however the US is still a major Israeli ally. If Iran gets involved, it’ll likely pull the US into the fight (though probably not with troops on the ground initially). If the US gets involved, Russia might get involved to keep the US busy and away from Ukraine. If Iran starts to become successful with Russian backing, the US might start putting troops on the ground to defend Israel, especially since if Israel collapses then Hamas will almost certainly commit genocide against Jewish Israelis. This would pull attention away from Taiwan, which means China may be tempted to seize the chance and invade while the US is getting spread thin. Meanwhile, Russia would likely seize the opportunity to make a hard push against Ukraine while the US is busy elsewhere. I’m not sure what India would do in this situation. I’m guessing that if China invaded Taiwan, then they might try to take the chance and fortify their borders while China’s busy and maybe back up Taiwan, if for any reason just to limit China’s global power; however I’m not really familiar with India’s diplomatic ties.
I hope I’m wrong, I’m probably wrong, but there’s a lot of tension in the world right now with Russia and China both trying to expand into other territories, and I honestly feel like we aren’t that far off a full-blown, WWI-style descent into another world war. I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia in particular is trying to push Iran into a war with Israel just so that the US quits funding Ukraine’s defense.
Hope you’re wrong too.
I don’t like the idea of Hezbollah / Iran getting involved at all. That’s why two US Navy carrier groups will be in the area shortly. Wouldn’t be surprised if Russia pushes for that involvement though. And I could see us bolstering Israel with air power at a minimum.
I don’t think Russia has anything to spare for a big push, and I don’t see any reason to think our Intelligence community can’t juggle Ukraine, Taiwan, and Gaza simultaneously. Even if we were distracted, we aren’t involved enough in Ukraine for it to matter imo. But you might be right about finding. The right wingers in congress would probably get louder about dropping funding.
China going for Taiwan amidst all this would make this quite a circus. Ugh.
Well at least this time it won’t involve trench warfare, the deserts have too much sand that’ll fill back into any we try to dig!
I do not think you are paranoid. Maybe not straight out world war, but more war in the Middle East and Northern Africa. Egypt for example is suspiciously silent in the matter, although they are already trying to negotiate with Israel to curb the influx of Palestinian refugees. They sit straight at the border and their help for people in Gaza is still just discussed. I am sure they know other countries are watching their decisions on this.
Some people do not want to accept it but this is very much a war between religions as well. For many Muslims there is only one correct answer: Israel has to go. It’s part of their identity to want the area to be a Muslim country. This also has an effect on countries everywhere. For example in Germany there is a huge drive to stand behind Israel in this matter. At the same time, Germany has a big Muslim immigrant population.
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Let’s see how long that continues if Iran gets in on this.
And the UN codemn the Hamas terrorist attacks, so what’s your point? And what occupation?
The UN is always in favor of condemning Israel. It’s their favorite past time.
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And this can easily lead to more wars in the Middle East. Once more, innocent will die, and soldiers will not return home because stupid bloodlusting leaders of Israel, Iran, and Hamas just can’t get enough blood.
This could easily lead to WW3…
Nobody is starting a ww for the middle east… It might lead to more proxy wars.
Maybe, but this could also be just another Tuesday in the middle east.
Their Fridays are Saturdays, so its probably more like just another Wednesday for them
Real question: why is the us so involved with israel?
Is it just a “sunk cost fallacy” thing or is it any more than that?It feels weird sinking so much money for someone else’s wars over so many decades… like trillions over wars and apart from ukraine recently its been always and only israel demanding the aid
Real question: why is the us so involved with israel?
they’re meant to be a main ally in the middle east for the US
most of the other countries are either allied with Russia/China/Iran/etc or too unstable
there’s also massive israel lobbying in the US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_States
tbh kinda the US’s only ally. Turkey kinda is, and Saudi Arabia really just sells us oil.
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I think they meant the US’s only ally in the middle east, not the whole planet.
Although it’s still wrong considering the US is allied with turkey, Kuwait, UAE, etc
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The US is a global, industrial empire. To maintain that position, we need to make sure threats to our influence are kept to a minimum, and we need to provide security to the global trade system that we and our allies benefit from. Israel is aligned with the West culturally and ideologically, and so it’s a natural partner, and given its location in an oil-rich region, right next to the Suez Canal, and a stone’s throw from or bordering several of our major global adversaries’ proxies, it’s a natural and necessary ally.
Anything else, like the Evangelicals’ bizarre obsession, is purely coincidence or post-facto.
And there is that Islamists on the other side. Indonesians (muslims) really detest America and Israel, for example.
Funny thing is Christians and other minor religion followers support Israel because of local tension (minorities are suppressed in Indonesia).
Half of evangelicals support Israel because they believe it is important for fulfilling end-times prophecy
According to prophecy, Israel must exist to bring about rapture, when Jesus’s followers will ascend to heaven and everyone else will be killed. Since they are not followers of Christ all Israelis would be killed.
They probably think they’re s clever. “Silly Jews, you think you’ve got such a good deal with all this free money but wait until the magic sky man comes and murders every one of you in cold blood because that’s what somebody who claims to love people does, murders billions of them, and you’re first! Ha ha. Silly magic sky man, doesn’t even know about all the loopholes.”
I read this in Homer Simpson’s voice.
Corruption and money laundering through the military complex. I mean who needs free medical care anyways, right? That’s for European commies.
Evangelical caucus believes that the Jews trying to build the third temple will make the rapture happen.
Dumbfucks can’t even read their own book right.
Almost all that money ends up back in the United States.
We have a lot of enemies out that way and so do they, so we became allies and support them because it’s in our best interest. We keep supporting them because apparently they’ve held up whatever end of the bargain we request and for the US money is easy.
Yeah they just print more of it
Well a few years back a group of really nasty people tried to murder every Jewish person. Then a thing or two happened, the USA nuked a few cities because the State in which those cities existed allied themselves with the people that wanted to murder all the Jews.
Now, we have the back of the Jews, and one of Hamas’ stated purposes is to murder all the Jews. Makes sense we’d be interested in keeping that from happening. Genocide is kind of a bad thing.
Big yikes. History revisionist.
Generally speaking he’s not incorrect.
Generally speaking that’s a lot of self-serving bs narrative
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Because the US realises that the goal of groups like Hamas and Hisbollah from Iran, and many other extremist Muslim groups, is to get rid of all Jews in the area. But it seems like on Lemmy many people are okay with genocide, as long as it targets the “right” group of people.
There were/are many genocides over the past 70 years for which the US had/has the chance to intervene. If this was really our goal, why haven’t/don’t we step in for them?
There were/are many genocides over the past 70 years for which the US had/has the chance to intervene. If this was really our goal, why haven’t/don’t we step in for them?
Because at some point people have to figure out their own shit for themselves.
America can’t be the policeman for the world forever, fixing everyone’s problems 24/7. We have our own problems to focus on as well.
We usually get involved when things get extreme, or when someone’s trying to keep us from the oil (just keeping it real).
I just realized you’re not the same person, but your response is still weird given the context of the conversation.
Original below, but ignore it I guess.
Because at some point people have to figure out their own shit for themselves.
Uh…The question was “why is the US so involved with Israel,” and you replied it’s because the US is against genocide. So then, ‘shouldn’t Israel be figuring its shit out’ without us?
We usually get involved when things get extreme, or when someone’s trying to keep us from the oil (just keeping it real).
Agreed, but I’m not the one picking favorites here.
I just realized you’re not the same person, but your response is still weird given the context of the conversation. … Original below, but ignore it I guess.
Considering you took what I said out of context, so it sounds like I’m saying something completely different, I couldn’t really ignore it, and had to reply to it.
Next time it might be better if you just deleted what you said, especially if it wasn’t towards the intended person.
Uh…The question was “why is the US so involved with Israel,” and you replied it’s because the US is against genocide.
So I was responding to this, specifically the italicized part…
There were/are many genocides over the past 70 years for which the US had/has the chance to intervene. If this was really our goal, why haven’t/don’t we step in for them?
As far as this goes…
So then, ‘shouldn’t Israel be figuring its shit out’ without us?
My actual previous response included this sentence…
We usually get involved when things get extreme
Finally just because you were very selective in my comment sentences that you quoted, let me include the whole thing down here below, for anyone else who may be reading this…
Because at some point people have to figure out their own shit for themselves.
America can’t be the policeman for the world forever, fixing everyone’s problems 24/7. We have our own problems to focus on as well.
We usually get involved when things get extreme, or when someone’s trying to keep us from the oil (just keeping it real).
Dude, i wasn’t even trying to talk to you. I thought I was talking to the other guy, which is why I left that there. Calm down.
Calm down.
Someone manipulates what I say so that it sounds like I said something different, I’m going to respond and push back. Anyone would.
You should have deleted your comment.
But it seems like on Lemmy many people are okay with genocide, as long as it targets the “right” group of people.
There are also many who do not want to see anyone get hurt.
And there are also many who want to support a terrorist implicitly by not explicitly denouncing his actions, just because their leftist ideology demands it from them
When it comes to human beings, there are always many thoughts and many perspectives.
The only reason the US wouldn’t be on the side of the European colonists bringing god and civilization to a deserted wasteland full of annoying houses and mysteriously angry natives is antisemitism. Once that calmed down criticizing Israel is criticizing US history and that would be woke.
Proxy war between the US and Iran
I think if Iran steps in with feet on the ground, the US probably will too, unfortunately.
Fucking Nicky Hailey is foaming at the mouth for it to happen.
Iran won’t go officially. They’ll just pay Hezbollah to go in.
Close, but look above Iran and you’ll see even more strings.
Elaborate?
Russia.
I assume they mean Russian and/or China.
Oh the rogue nation wants to play along? Isn’t supporting the Russians against my country enough?
The Palestinians are in the same position as Ukraine, if not further down. Ukraine has been lucky to have Western support, the other path was to end up like Palestine.
when did Ukraine supported and voted for a degenerated terror militia that wants to eradicate the Jews? I must have missed that…
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Israel supported and helped prop up Hamas as a way to keep Palestine from unifying and forming a legitimate government.
Not Israel – Specifically Netanyahu’s far right political project
Yeah I started delineating this in other comments.
Peace to you for doing the good work. Thank you.
and that legitimate their attack on Israel or what are you trying to say?
In your previous comment you implied that Palestine voted for a terror militia to eradicate the Jews. Essentially piling all of the responsibility on top of the Palestinian people. I shared that link to show that Israel shoulders some of the blame as well.
People defending Israel are starting to sound like a broken record “dO yOu cOnDOne ThE aTTaCKs?” Come on dude, very few people actually support the mass slaughter of civilians, and it still doesn’t absolve Israel of their behavior.
I don’t give Israel absolution at all…all involved parties in this conflict have fucked up big time. This conflict is way to complicated that a dipshit like me can come up with a solution. I just don’t like those whole Palestine good, Israel bad and vice versa simple mindset.
At a very cynical day I would say let them kill each other off and give the land to all the refugees from around the world. This conflict is one of the most, if not the most degenerate one…
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Sure thing, that antisemitism is a common practice in the surrounding countries has clearly nothing to do with that.
So because they’re so opressed they can’t vote a leader, and even their leaders can’t do anything they somehow deserve to be eradicated from this earth? For some mere votes?
You’re justifying genocide for such a stupid reason? Wow…
Do you not know how analogies work? No analogy is perfect.
For example, Russia hasn’t been an occupying force in Ukraine for 60+ years. Russia hasn’t been actively genociding (yes, this is genocide, read the UN Convention on Genocide) Ukrainians on their own land for 60+ years.
Did you miss that part too?
I missed the point never to discuss with an idiot…because kiddo your analogy is not just “not perfect” it is completely utter bullshit.
Why is it when someone has no argument left they always resort to calling people “kiddo”? Is there like a “losing a fight” manual where you guys get this from?
Got it from your mom, kiddo
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According to the tanks, soon as they voted for Zelensky since they won’t shut up about how Azov are apparently his personal goon squad or some shit
Ukraine supports Azerbaijan which is just the same. Now you haven’t missed that.
Armenia is a Russian ally. They fucked themselves with that one.
You mean, Armenia chose to make Turkey part of NATO in 1952? Oops. That’s because you are an obvious lying piece of dirt. Get outta here.
How is that even relevant? Armenia was part of the Soviet Union in 1952 up until 1991. After its independence in 1992 Armenia signed a security treaty with ex Soviet states which is now part of the CSTO. You don’t need to be part of NATO to ally yourself with western countries, Armenia could have pursued security guarantees with other western nations. There is also the often overlooked aspect of Armenia expelling Azeri people from their lands and invading land that is internationally recognized as Azerbaijan which probably didn’t do them any favors post Soviet dissolution.
How is that even relevant?
That’s relevant because “the West” is already allied to the biggest genocidal state in the region, which rules out all the most direct ways of security cooperation. Armenia didn’t have any real options but Russia in the 90s. And at that point even the second Chechen war hadn’t yet happened, so even in dreams Russia was better than Iran.
And the reason Russia is bad now is not because of it being against “the West”, but because it’s not really an option. It’s just directly hostile not only to NK, as we’ve already seen for the last 3-11 years, but also for Armenia itself and its independence and even existence.
And also I don’t think I’ve heard or read anything which would suggest that Armenia ever got any offers from “the West” to “choose” from.
There is also the often overlooked aspect of Armenia expelling Azeri people from their lands and invading land that is internationally recognized as Azerbaijan
Azerbaijan started a war and lost those in a counteroffensive. Armenians have the right to defend themselves.
Azerbaijan had a simple way to get those districts back very quickly - take an obligation that they won’t attack again. Look up all the peace propositions since the ceasefire and till 2020, the Armenian side basically agreed to all of them, even really catastrophic ones (like swapping Meghri for NK). Each and every proposition was rejected by the Azeri side.
They didn’t want to do that, they wanted to become stronger and finish what they’ve started. Which means that Armenian prolonged control over those districts was entirely justified (by having a more defendable frontline, which still didn’t help due to Armenian/NK military being rotten to the bone).
Also FYI Azerbaijan controlled large swathes of Armenian (as in RoA, mostly in Tavush) and NK (mostly Shahumyan and Getashen) territory since the first war till 2020 (and still does, of course), somehow nobody talks about that occupation. And, of course, Azerbaijan expelled more Armenians than NK expelled Azeris. Pogroms, mass murders, expulsions etc against Armenians were the reason NK declared independence in the first place.
In short, that aspect is not “often overlooked”, it just doesn’t give you anything.
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Only if you assume Iran is an infallible moral authority and not an authoritarian regime working to further it’s own interests. I am not defending Iran but I’ll be damned if I’ll let people who are being oppressed shit on other people being oppressed.
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All countries foreign policy is based on the pursuit of power regardless of morality or consistency.
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It’s not an alliance of shared ideals. They support Russia because the West supports Ukraine.
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As if Iran’s fingers weren’t in the fucking pot from the start of this shit show. Bitch we’ve got the receipts that you all but handed Hamas the plans for their little murder rape and pillaging expedition.
For real. This is so blatantly a play by Iran to drive a wedge between Israel and the Islamic nations it has recently been normalizing relations with - UAE, Bahrain, Sudan, Morocco… They were in talks with Saudi Arabia, and that would have been a bridge too far.
And of course, predictably, Israel responded exactly according to plan.
Source?
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-hamas-strike-planning-bbe07b25
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html
Not sure if that’s the type of source parent was referencing. My understanding of the consensus among certain groups is that the point of this conflict, from Iran’s perspective, is to make it unappealing for Saudi Arabia to normalize relations with Israel — which may be exactly what they’re getting, e.g.: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/14/saudi-arabia-puts-israel-deal-on-ice-amid-war-engages-with-iran-report
lol you’re aware Iran wants to erase Israel out of the map, right?
That’s not what I asked.
Isn’t this the plot to Arma 3? Does Iran have the East wind Device?!
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Israel has warned 1.1 million people living in the north of the enclave to evacuate ahead of an expected ground operation in Gaza with the IDF planning to strike the territory from land, sea and air.
Iran’s involvement could be through a militant group from Syria or by backing Hezbollah to join the conflict, diplomatic sources told Axios.
Mr Amirabdollahian said that he would be contacting UN officials in the region as “there is still an opportunity to work on an initiative (to end the war) but it might be too late tomorrow.”
More than 2,000 people have been killed in Hamas-controlled Gaza since Israel launched retaliatory airstrikes, the Palestinian health ministry said on Saturday.
Following the Hamas attacks, Israel announced a “complete siege” on the enclave and tens of thousands have now left their homes in Gaza to get away from the combat zone.
And on Saturday Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu told troops in southern Israel that “The next stage is coming”
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WW3 here we go
Nah, it’ll be more like Proxy War 37
Hm, Israel might be about to get more that it asked for…
They didn’t ask for this and it’s not like they’ll even respond to a threat this empty.
The topic of what they did and did not ask for can be discussed at long, to say the least.
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